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Opposing Commandments
Posted On 01/01/2012 13:40:17 by despainj
I have recently been studying the fall of Adam, and have been pondering this subject i often hear repeated about two opposing commandments. There is no reference to it at all in the standard works, and preach my gospel is silent on the matter, i reference those two because they are the foundational doctrines of the church. i have tried multiple searches in LDS.org, and looked in several teaching and student manuals, only to find this subject absent. So i would like to know where the idea came from. the more i ponder upon the subject, the more i realize or feel, there was no opposition in commandment for God does not give commandments we cannot keep, it is contrary to his nature. there have been times when he gives seemingly contrary commands that are sorted out as His designs unfold, for example abraham. we cannot say that the will of God is filled in all things, but only really that his purposes are completed, most of the time in spite of us, for sin is not according to his will, and it happens all the time.We know from modern revelation that God had planned to return to the garden with further instruction for adam and eve, but they had partaken of the fruit before that time had come. We read that eve was deceived (and she was) just as you and I, that she came to the man, and he took willingly, realizing that should he not, he could not bring to pass the next commandment, for he would be separated from his spouse. rather than look at the fall as a transgression or from that perspective (though i in no way deny that it was, for they indeed broke the commandment of God) I have come to think of the fall as any other "fall". we do not always need to break a commandment to fall. There are certain law that have consequences. if i eat a poisons berry, i will most likely die or get sick. but mother never told me not to eat it, so when i ate it, i was not in violation of any commandment, for mother had said nothing, yet i am still going to to get sick, or even die, because of the law that says if i take in poison to my body, it will harm it. even if God had not commanded the couple to eat of the tree, had they eaten, they would have fallen. Why? because the food was not fit for their bodies, and it changed their bodies into something not like God's, and therefore had to be removed from His presence, for they were no longer like him. It ultimately was the fruit that moralized adam and eve, and made them corruptible and susceptible to sin. The Opposition part of all this is simply God and Satan, Tree of Life to Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Good and Bad. Satan was allowed to tempt our parents, thereby putting them in a position to learn. That is what gave them agency. Good and evil already were in the world before the fall. Sin is not a requirement to enter the Celestial Kingdom, Christ proved that, for he was without sin. But he was tested, tried, placed in between good and evil, as were adam and eve, and as we are. anyway, theres a few of my ideas about the fall, but if anyone knows of any quotes or discourses specifically about the opposing commandments idea from apostles or prophets, id be interested in taking a gander.

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From: seven7up
11/29/2012 23:44:38
If you want to see some of more of the controversial aspects of the Fall of Adam and Eve, from a Mormon point of view, see this video, which refers to the Fall as an "unfortunate necessity".

13 Ex Materia - Entering Mortality

http://youtu.be/dHMuWB2xrvo


From: Martain
02/12/2012 20:57:57
“Adam and Eve were chosen to come here as the primal parents of humanity. And they were placed in the Garden of Eden where there was no death and we read in the scriptures that they could have lived in that Garden forever, but not under the most favorable circumstances. For there, although they were in the presence of God, they were deprived of certain knowledge and understanding in a condition where they could not understand clearly things that were necessary for them to know. Therefore, it became essential to their salvation and to ours that their nature should be changed. The only way it could be changed was by the violation of the law under which they were at that time. Mortality could not come without violation of that law and mortality was essential, a step towards our exaltation. Therefore, Adam partook of the forbidden fruit, forbidden in a rather peculiar manner for it is the only place in all the history where we read that the Lord forbade something and yet said, ‘Nevertheless thou mayest choose for thyself.’ He never said that of any sin. I do not look upon Adam’s fall as a sin, although it was a transgression of the law. It had to be. And Adam came under a different law. The temporal law. And he became subject to death. The partaking of that fruit created blood in his body and that blood became the life-giving influence of mortality” (Joseph Fielding Smith, The Atonement of Jesus Christ, Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year [25 Jan. 1955], 2).


From: Martain
02/12/2012 20:57:25
“I’m very, very grateful that in the Book of Mormon, and I think elsewhere in our scriptures, the fall of Adam has not been called a sin. It wasn’t a sin. . . . What did Adam do? The very thing the Lord wanted him to do; and I hate to hear anybody call it a sin, for it wasn’t a sin. Did Adam sin when he partook of the forbidden fruit? I say to you, no, he did not! Now, let me refer to what was written in the book of Moses in regard to the command God gave to Adam. [Moses 3:16–17.]

“Now this is the way I interpret that: The Lord said to Adam, here is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you want to stay here, then you cannot eat of that fruit. If you want to stay here, then I forbid you to eat it. But you may act for yourself, and you may eat of it if you want to. And if you eat it, you will die.

“I see a great difference between transgressing the law and committing a sin” (Joseph Fielding Smith, “Fall—Atonement—Resurrection—Sacrament,” in Charge to Religious Educators, 124).


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From: helpwithisaiahblogger
01/02/2012 08:52:35
I would like to comment on this but first I would like to clarify what you mean by "opposing commandments" exactly, or most specifically which commandments are you referring to in the fall that are opposing each other--not to partake of the fruit and also multiply and replenish the earth? Each commandment has a consequence attached to it. The consequence of partaking of the fruit was that man would become mortal and die and also man would not continue in the presence of the Father, thereby they would need a Savior who was chosen from the foundation of the world to bring them back to the presence of the Father and redeem them, restoring their bodies as well. We had agency in our pre-earth life--the ability to choose--from the very beginning, as discussed in the Doctrine and Covenants 93:30. Sometimes we must break a lessor law to keep a higher one, but this is extremely rare. For further insight on this you can listen to the round table discussions on the Pearl of Great price and the Old Testament--by the BYU professors--on byutv.org. Go to that web site and listen to these discussions, which are available any time from your computer. Just do a search in the box provided to locate these specific discussion sessions. They mention what I have previously stated, only they do a much better job.




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