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Separating Wheat from Tares - finding common ground.
Posted On 07/03/2008 11:33:26 by justamere10

I think many Latter-day Saints believe that we are getting close to a time when there will be a separation of the righteous from the wicked, the wheat from the tares. That separation may mark the division between those whose life choices have prepared them to endure a Terrestrial (Millennial) glory, and those who have chosen Telestial and will have their physical bodies destroyed by the glory of our Savior's perhaps imminent "Second Coming."

"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left." Matthew 25: 32-33

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/25/32-33#32


There are many more scriptural references to nations, kindreds, tongues, and people:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=info&last=&help=&search=nations+kindreds+ton gues+people&do=Search



As Latter-day Saints, we are commissioned to help lift God's children from a Terrestrial state to a Celestial state by adding to the truths found in all other churches. We perform authorized priesthood ordinances, and in holy temples apply the apostolic sealing power to bless God's children eternally. That is why LDS missionaries lovingly work even among righteous fellow followers of Jesus Christ, to add to what they already have.

But that work is in preparation for a time beyond the Millennium when this world will leap from a Terrestrial to a Celestial glory. God sows His seeds early...

In addition to that exclusive Celestial work, I believe that Latter-day Saints are also commissioned to help lift people from Telestial wickedness to Terrestrial righteousness. That task I think we share with god-fearing people of all religious denominations. And that task is the one most urgently needed to be carried forth in these days when it may soon be too late for the wicked to repent and qualify for life during the Millennium. The common sexual sins of our time will almost certainly place unrepentent fornicators and adulterers on God's left hand, they may not survive into the Millennium, they must be warned.

Also, the Gospel still needs to be carried to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.

It is my thinking that much of the work of helping lift people from Telestial to Terrestrial (wickedness to righteousness) including perhaps preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to all nations can be carried out today by Cyber Missionaries of all denominations, not just by the Saints whose focus is on priesthood ordinances and FULNESS. Am I wrong in this? What do you think?

God is no respecter of persons, Latter-day Saints may have many more helpers than we sometimes think we have. Perhaps in these tempestuous last days of preparation for the leap from Telestial to Terrestrial we have more COMMON GROUND with other Christians and god-fearing people everywhere than we tend to think we have!

"That these plates of brass should go forth unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people who were of his seed." 1 Nephi 5:18

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/5/18#18

The above reference is to the brass Plates of Laban, the commandments of the Lord to the descendents of Joseph. This could refer to parts of the Bible and possibly the Torah - which of course could be taught to other nations, kindreds, tongues, and people by god-fearing people who are not necessarily Latter-day Saints.


Do you think we are nearing a separation of the righteous from the wicked, the wheat from the tares?

Do you think that many god-fearing people everywhere are as capable as Latter-day Saints of helping lift God's children on earth from Telestial to Terrestrial so they can survive the end times and live on into the Millennium or qualify for the first resurrection?

How can we best get the common ground message out to Christians of other denominations and effectively join with them as Cyber Missionaries in the task of crying repentance, and teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to every nation? (Granted, baptism by proper authority is essential to continue on the road to Celestial glory, but perhaps only righteous living is required to escape the fire to come??)

Comments anyone?

 

You can also discuss this at http://www.lds1.org

and

http://www.ctr1.org

 

 

 

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From: justamere10
07/08/2008 19:12:49

I guess from Heavenly Father's point of view we are ALL His children and He is no respecter of any. He loves us all regardless of what our beliefs or affiliations are. We are ALL required to love our neighbor as ourself, not just the Latter-day Saints.


Although the LDS Church is exclusively commissioned to have the authorized Priesthood and sealing powers in our time, I think the Church may always be a miniscule number of Heavenly Father's children on earth. The work of helping people move from a wicked to a righteous state MUST, if only because of the numbers involved, include helpers from all other faiths. I think most Christian churches today are doing good work towards that end, there is no way that the Saints could do it all.


The CTR1 discussion forum focusses on discussing and encouraging cyber missionary work for people of all faiths.


http://www.ctr1.org


 


 


 



From: bjshideler
07/08/2008 17:29:30

This parable of the wheat and the tares i think more aptly applies to a parable about the church and members of the church.  There are quite a few members of the church that are not active in their membership.  Recently I heard that for North America the average sacrament meeting attendance is between 30%-40%.  Plus there are many others that do attend their meetings that just show up. 

Also in Jacob 5 in the parable of the vineyard you have the Lord pruning the vineyard and getting rid of the waste branches.  Well for the most part those are members of the church that are not bringing forth good fruit.

So this parable in my mind is more of a call to the members to lengthen their stride and to know their master.



From: bjshideler
07/08/2008 17:18:41

I think I understand what you are trying to say. And I do not disagree that there is much worth in helping whoever to come closer to Christ, but the gospel is not restricted in only moving people from a Terrestrial state to a Celestial state, but can also help people that are in a Telestial state move to a Celestial State. 

From my experience in operations management, it makes no sense to handle a material twice.  In the same sense why would I want to expend the effort to teach a person twice about the Saviour and perhaps risk them becoming content with that little bit of light and knowledge that they recieve.  Also some experience that I had, it was almost easier if a person came with little gospel knowledge, because they did not get hung up on little "technicalities" of the reformation (ie godhead vs trinity, bible only scripture), although it can take a little bit longer to build that base testimony of Jesus Christ, you do not have to reteach those things that they learned that were false. 





From: justamere10
07/08/2008 05:22:15

I invite you to participate in a new nondenominational Christian Discussion Board that I created to explore ideas for Cyber Missionary work from all faiths.


http://www.ctr1.org


 



From: justamere10
07/05/2008 19:05:57

Yes, your comments are all good, there is no doubt about it.


What I am trying to explore is that yes, Latter-day Saints are UNIQUELY commissioned in our time to do the work that leads people from Terrestrial to Celestial candidates. In that task we are very different from all other religious denominations and cannot compromise.


However, we also 'minister' if I can use that phrase among those who are presently by their choice of sinful lifestyle living only a Telestial state of existence. The first task for us regarding such people is, I think, to help move them up to a Terrestrial state of repentance and righteous living. THAT task I think we share in common with other Christians.


During OUR watch on earth, perhaps the most URGENT concern (without in any way hindering or slowing down our concurrent progress in moving people to a temple worthy celestial state) is to prepare people to qualify as wheat/sheep when the separation is made of the righteous from the wicked goats/tares. We can, I think, without harming our own uniqueness, and because we know that God is no respecter of persons, loves ALL of His children, and commands us to LOVE all, work in harmony with people of other denominations to accomplish the Terrestrial preparations for the Millennium.


Am I making sense?



From: bjshideler
07/05/2008 18:33:13

Yes there is much common ground with our other christian brethren, but we must make sure that we do not let our standards down, and try to be like everybody else.  For we are not like everybody else.  One of my favorite quotes from Joseph Fielding McConkie on the danger of common ground and why we need to stand up for the gospel is:


[In] many situations some Latter-day Saints have an anxiety about presenting our message in a way that will be acceptable to others... We also find this anxiety manifest in exaggerated efforts to convince people that "we are just like them." The problem with such an approach ought to be obvious but  apparently is not. Infatuation with either people or programs cannot engender the kind of faith our pioneer forefathers had or that we need to achieve our destiny. If we succeed in our efforts to convince people that we are really "just like them," we will at the same time have convinced them that we have nothing to offer them that they do not have or cannot obtain in the system of worship that is presently theirs. Of greater concern is the possibility that we may in the process convince ourselves that this is the case.   


What, then, is it that we want to do in answering questions from those not of our faith? May I suggest that nothing more is needed than to give simple, straightforward answers that are attractive to the Spirit of the Lord. That Spirit will sustain the goodness and truthfulness of the doctrines we are teaching. We would do well to answer questions from the  revelations  of the Restoration rather than trying to hide behind Bible texts. President Marion G. Romney observed: "In each dispensation, . . . the Lord has revealed anew the principles of the gospel. So that while the records of past dispensations, insofar as they are uncorrupted, testify to the truths of the gospel, still each dispensation has had revealed in its day sufficient truths to guide the people of the new dispensation, independent of the records of the past" ("Glorious Promise," 2).   


There are a number of good reasons for this practice: First, it emphasizes that which is distinctly and uniquely ours. Again, if we don't have something that makes us distinct and unique, why all the fuss? Second, there is nothing we can do that is more attractive to the Spirit than being true to the  revelations  of the Restoration. These  revelations  speak for themselves; they testify of their own truthfulness. Third, the experience of missionaries who use this approach continually shows that people are innately more believing and raise fewer objections when we stand on our own ground instead of attempting to find common ground. Fourth, it is  the best way to avoid the spirit of contention which often attends discussions about what the Bible really means.   

            (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Answers: Straightforward Answers to Tough Gospel Questions , p.18-19)



From: justamere10
07/03/2008 12:07:38

I know that you personally are anxiously engaged in a good cause. But I think it important for all who are, to take the initiative and LEVERAGE the work they are doing by encouraging more people of all denominations to do the same. On the Net it's a potentially exponential leverage. Convert/recruit/encourage two new Cyber Missionaries who each convert/recruit/encourage two new Cyber Missionaries, who each convert.... etc. and your influence and usefulness in the work is really starting to go places!


For LDS Cyber Missionaries I think it is a new urgency because for the first time we are now being asked by the Senior Brethren to engage in the work of proclaiming the gospel online.


But yes, I think the sun will rise and set even tomorrow. :-)



From: MaidservantX
07/03/2008 11:56:01

I think that we can wear out our souls with well-doing.  I think we can rescue our brethren in the wilderness.  I think we can do our best with our own "beamed" eye to make sure we ourselves are clean.  These are the things I am trying to do, and, yes, the Internet is a big part of it.  Yes, I think it's important to share the gospel of Jesus Christ; AND it's important to have a postivie influence that may not explicity bring up the name of Jesus Christ.  It just depends on the whole situation.  Thank you for the reminder of such a work.


As far as the "end days" urgency in the tone of your blog -- well, I think we can be diligent, yet not run faster than we have strength; same as always.  The end days aren't "coming", they are here, and the sun is still rising and setting, and we all and each of us just have TODAY to act according to the great choice that is explained plainly in 2 Nephi 2:27 (24-30).





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