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Originally Posted by Iggy
I don't care how many doctors tell me that alcohol is good for me, nor how many people tell me that it is okay in moderation. I have seen the other side of alcoholism- Been there, done that, NEVER going there again. I have witnessed the damage that Moderate Alcohol drinking has done.
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I would point out that if drinking causes an issue, then that drinking is anything but moderate. Abusive behaviour is not the cause of alcohol, but the cause is an abusive person.
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Take a good at people - see any with the big abdomen? The large, extended gut that is above the belt line? Go up to them and say- Hey what is your favorite Beer? How many a day do you drink? Drink anything more than just beer?
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Not a good example. You seem to suggest only fat people drink.
Fat people are fat, not necessarily through drink. Ask them how many McDonalds they eat. Also I know many thin people who like to drink.
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99% of the time they do drink beer and other alcoholic beverages. When that extended belly is is their liver sticking out. It is hard as a rock too. That is cirrhosis of the liver. Irreversable damage, deadly damage, life taking damage.
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Oh crumbs. I realise you're anti-alcohol, and your faith says you shouldn't drink it. Fair enough. But you seem to have adopted such incredibly bizarre thinking that 99% of fat people who drink have cirrhosis of the liver. If I could prove to you how blatantly untrue that is.
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Originally Posted by Iggy
A co-worker of mine lost her father to cirrhosis of the liver. He wasn't an alcoholic, he only drank three 12oz beers a day, and on the weekends he would have 4 or 5 whiskey sours on Sat night and sunday nights.
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Mmm hmmm. Regular drinker. Not an alcoholic. OK.
You are of course aware though that Cirrhosis has other causes...
Chronic Alcolholism, Hepatitis, Biliary Cirrhosis, Autoimmunie Cirrhosis, Nonalcoholic Fatty Liver, Inherited Diseases, Drugs, Toxins and Infections, Cardiac Cirrhosis - of course please don't let facts get in the way of an emotional knee jerk reaction.
Unfortunately, and this ties into my responsible and incorrect thinking on alcohol. Too many people hear the words cirrhosis and think of alcohol. Yet cirrhosis is the symptom:
"Liver disease that involves scarring and damage of the liver cells and interruption of blood flow through the liver". It doesn't actually refer to any one cause.
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He did this since he was 19 years old. Never got sloppy, slurring drunk.Thus they claimed he was not an alcoholic. He drank in moderation, so he couldn't have been an alcoholic. One quart of beer a day for 5 days and then a "few" hard drinks on the week end, Moderation. He died at the age of 49. Painful, painful death it was too.
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What was the cause of the cirrhosis? Plus drinking every day without a break is quite clearly wrong and could in some circles be considered alcolic.
You seem to be taking an odd case, saying someone who drinks every day isn't an alcoholic but look at the damage alcohol causes therefore alcohol is bad.
Was he or was he not an alcoholic? What was the cause of his cirrhosis?