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Old 06-22-2008, 06:18 PM
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sixpac you said:
"We were given a golden opportunity to repent and return following 9/11, and we have squandered it."

That seems to be the pattern over the ages-- A crises happens--people humble themselves--look at what's really impotrtant in their life--provide service to one another--neighbors helping one another etc. Then the immediate crises tends to fade, and people usually go back to their way's--whatever their ways might be.

sixpac said:
" Is Pres Bush pure? No, but he has been right on in this matter of fighting those that would enslave us."

I think the only way they can enslave us is the terrorist cells that are in this country to reek havoc upon us in all sorts of ways--I don't think we had to travel across the globe to start a war (Iraq) based on missinformation--which in my opinion was known to be missinformation by the current administration.

sixpac said:
"This is just as dangerous as anything during the cold war or the war on Nazism was"

In my opinion a completley different war--I think we knew a little of the mindset of the Russians and Hitler---They wanted Global domination--The Ruskies didn't want to be blown off the map with nuclear weapons anymore than we did--Hitler on the other hand if he would have got his hands on the Atom Bomb, would have undoubtably used it (my opinion) I beleive the 'Extremists' on the other hand would destroy us at all costs, even if it means they or their homeland go up in dust to acheive their means.

sixpac said:
"And those that think that this is all Bush's fault and that they can't wait until he leaves are naive at best, stupid more probably."

No, I don't think this is all George W. Bush's fault. I was for him the first time around, not the second time around, and yes I can't wait until he's gone--it's been said he has the most secretive administration of recent history--if not of all history.
Now does that make me naive and stupid? Maybe, but unlike W I can say 'nuclear' instead of 'nucular'--I can also say 'terrorists' instead of 'terroristsssss'

sixpac said:
"As I said earlier, the processes that have been put in place are working."

You must be talking about the 'surge' something McCain likes to pat himself on the back about. If the troops would not have been taken out of the townships and cities where they already had it under control, only to be moved somewhere else, they would still be under control, as it is they have to go back in and reclaim it-- more lives, more bloodshed.

sixpac said:
"I don't care if AlQaeda is killing people in other areas. Why? Because that is up to their gov't to protect them. I only care that I'm being protected, because that is my gov't's job."

Really? Why didn't the gov. of Afghanistan step up to the plate and protect the Afghan people from the taliban or go kill AlQaeda troops who were training in their country.
As to your comment's about caring only about yourself and the American govt. protecting you-- The 9/11 commission said the U.S. government failed miserably.

sixpac said:
"I thank God everyday for those that have served bravely to protect me over here, and have put life and limb on the line for me. This farce that 'we support the troops, but will criticize everything our President does' is the epitome of putting 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag."

As I do. My Dad who is 91 had a front row seat at Pearl Harbor, and the battle of 'Midway' the battle of 'Iwo Jima', 'Guadacanal' among just a few and was heading out of Okinawa when the first A-Bomb went off over Hiroshima.
My brother also served during Vietnam. I missed Vietnam by a couple of years and served in the Army from 77-80 during peace time. So as you can see I do 'Support the Troops' I just do not have to support the president 'in everything he does' and have earned the right to 'criticize' the President, If I so feel inclined to do so.
On the other hand, 'W' was kept out of Vietnam by his Daddy and Cheney never served in the military--but yet send so many young men to their deaths because of a war on 'missinformation' and on a war that could possibly go on for years-- That's what I call the 'epitome of putting 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag" as you called it.

sixpac said:
"The children of Ishmael are just waiting, WAITING, for us to do another Vietnam and pull out because of the libs and traitors in this country that do not wish it well. They are heartened and know all thsy have to do is wait it out."

I prefer to call them 'Muslim Extremists' I would hate to put all of Ishmael's children in the same boat--but I get your gist.
What are they "waiting out"? A chance to have a civil war later rather than sooner--it seems rather unavoidable--just putting off the inevitable--just my opinion--who knows maybe they will all play in the same sandbox someday--don't hold your breath.

sixpac said:
"What we need is another Captain Moroni to clean out the traitors that are rejoicing at the difficulties we are having, and in fact are fueling them. But, the BOM is just a story that has nothing to do with our time.... "

And all this time I thought Captain Moroni was for Liberty. I don't think anyone is rejoicing at the difficulties of war, even the traitors as you call them--Bloodshed and the loss of life is never worth rejoicing over.
And by the way I thought the Book of Mormon has everything to do with our time, in fact was written for our time!

Take Care,

HB
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