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Old 07-05-2008, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Maureen View Post
his is Christ speaking to the brother of Jared. If this body was visible but still spiritual, is it possible that what JS thought was corporeal, when he says he saw the Father and Son, was really spiritual for both the Father and the Son?

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No. Jared saw Christ BEFORE Christ came to Earth to receive his mortal body.

After Christ died, He had His glorified, physical body. This is when He appeared to Joseph.

Now, if you look at the first D&C you posted, that explains that.


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17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
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27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
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1 And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor. 2 But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.

Now... We see that they have 2 separate bodies, and you've clarified for us that they are now flesh and bone, save the HG. We see further that they are NOT the same person, of a Trinity, because if the wording that would include Christ in the Trinity would have to include Satan in some Holy Quartet. He was the same in the beginning, he speaks to God in the beginning. In fact, he's referred to in much the same manner, save he's not the Beloved or Chosen one.

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21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

If we all may be one, JUST as the Father and the Son are, does that make us all different aspects of the same person? And since we may be one in Them, JUST as They are one in each Other, than that makes us all part of the "Trinity," too.

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6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Note, it says one God AND Father. Not just One God. It's placing one "aspect" of the Trinity clearly above the other. Now, if there were a Trinity, would it not be "GOD" above them all? The composite of the Triune? How can a part be greater than the whole?

D&C 76 also helps clarify the nature of the Godhead.

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Jesus was the firstborn of the spirit children of our Heavenly Father, the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh, and the first to rise from the dead in the resurrection

And for the rest, we have modern revelation:

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