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Old 07-06-2008, 02:43 PM
Dale Dale is offline
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At most i am open to is a pre-incarnate form being created for Jesus uncreated personality. Not buying into he spirit birth idea i believe Jesus created the spirits. I do not accept the heavenly mother idea as anything but a religious speculation.

Joseph Smith does not have appeared to have taught spirits were born. His esoteric speculation that conflicts with scripture was that spirits were uncreated. He taught physical children were born via heavenly parents. But as God the Father had no such physical children in the resurrection that only leaves him now spiritually adopting children now. Unless DNA is taken from such beings to give future worlds parental diversity i see no purpose in eternal marriage, or eternal polygamy. Van Hale LDS radio talk show host has a paper on it at Mormon Miscellaneous.

With John 17:21,22 i see LDS apologists sometimes a victim of not reading out side their apologetics. In no way can we, or Jesus the man go beyond the oneness of purpose suggested by the verse. But in Jesus the verses may be read as saying the exclusive everwhere present God dwelt in Jesus and that was what made that one in purpose. The same God via the spirit can dwell in us enabling us to be one with that exclusive omnmi-present God as they are one.

In brief the answer is the same God can dwell in many different persons. Thus enabling many persons including Jesus the man to be one in purpose with God. But John 17:21,22 is not about God being more than one God, or that Jesus the spirit part was a 2nd God. Why can't two true truths exist as a parodox?

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