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Originally Posted by ceeboo
Hello Vanhin,
I am aware of the account of the first vision ( JS )
To be clear, the discussion was about bytor's claim that the " Great Apostasy " was prophesied by NT scripture. Given only scripture, and not adding the 1820's, JS, or the BofM, I can see no support for such a monumental claim.
I will respectfuly pass on replying to JS's vision that includes the " abomination " ( sorry)
" Who has something to counter the vision "?? or " send me a link to convince me that it did not happen "??? How can I ( or anyone on the planet ) prove or counter a claim if the very claim under discussion is not subscribed to?????
" Did the first vision really happen or not " I would kindly an gently suggest that the answer to that question is most assuradly what makes you LDS and I catholic. 
God bless,
Carl
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Carl, being a convert to the church, my advice is to approach this vision as I did. I didn't want to know if the Book of Mormon was true and correct from Him but rather that Joseph Smith was called by Him, did the first vision really happen, and this was His church.