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Originally Posted by HiJolly
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As I understand it there was no central or unified Church for at least 300 years after the death and resurrection of Christ. There were local Bishops and no single Bishop was in charge of the collective, until after the Nicene Council. Not only this, but the council was convened by Imperial decree. Regardless, the Church no longer had apostles, though we read in scripture the apparent need to replace deceased apostles with new replacements. Unfortunately, this biblical practice did not continue, and the Church was no longer organized in the way the Savior set it up, the way Peter tried to keep it going. This is not a minor detail
Total does not mean the institution of the Catholic Church would have to disappear, in the LDS view.
And you see our point that it was not the Church or the Pope that was promised to not fall, but revelation, right? I know you don't need to agree, but that is the LDS position.
HiJolly
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Hello HiJolly,
Thanks so much for the wealth of perspective you have shared.
Yes indeed we do not agree on some of your offerings but it is my stance that God above is pleased by the manner his children are extending their hands and hearts with eachother.
I ( for one ) am truly humbled and encouraged to read the last several posts, I am also honored to be a part of them.
. In addition, The thing that trumps all of our seeming disagreement ( some may certainly disagree with this and that's ok by me ) is the Christ-like tone that IMHO is alive and well.
At the end of the day, we all try our very best to walk as Jesus did and for me, I certainly do my best to not "call out the sawdust in others eye when I know I have a plank in my own".
A very short offering as not to overshadow my above contribution:
" No central or organized Church for first 300 years or so" " Church no longer had apostles"
My offering, For the first 300 years or so it was illegal to be Christian and many were put to death for this, much was done " under the radar ".
IMHO, ( I realize you feel differently and offered a contribution regarding this
) It has nothing to do with " no longer set up or organized by mere men, it also has nothing to do with the building " church, small c ". It has everything to do with the Church " Capital C "
that Christ left us and the promise that indeed it would never fall.
Lastly, " the promise not to fall was revelation " I respectfuly disagree and further see no scriptural support for this. The promise was from Jesus himself ( God as Catholics believe )
that His Church, teachings,promise to all, would stand to the end.
I really do appreciate your input HiJolly.
For what i's worth, I look forward ( hope not real soon though
) that we all can smile and talk about this in HIS KINGDOM some day.
You and many others here also rock!! ( I wonder if that means Peter LOL )
God bless,
Carl