Nephi speaks to comments like this from the dust:
2 Nephi 9:
28 O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish.
29 But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God.
I would like to make 2 comments about this statement:
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You obviously haven't read the Book of Mormon if you assume it's a book of Biblical commentary.
It is a commentary because it's not in the supposed original language.
If this is supposed to be logic, which it looks like logic because it is structured as such, it is severely flawed.
1) To say one thing is not true, or "commentary," because it is not written in a "supposed" "original" language would mean you would have to pick one "original language" and discount all the rest of the writings ever made by man. Are you saying anyone who ever wrote a journal in a language other than this "supposed" "original" language is not writing about their own life, but about the writing of another person who wrote in this original language? How can it be that the language one uses makes anything flawed or false? Either they are writing about factual events or they are not... the language they use has absolutely nothing to do with it. Whoever taught you this is not as intelligent as they think they are, and the above scripture is directed at them.
2) The Book of Mormon is NOT a commentary on the Bible. It was not meant to be when it was written, nor was it meant to be when it was translated into English, or any of the other hundreds of languages it's available in today. It is a group of people who lived in a different place who wrote of what they saw and heard, and what they read from prophets who wrote long ago. Are you saying that the New Testament is merely a commentary of the Old Testament since nearly all of the writers quote from it?
I started to not reply, because I don't really have anything good or nice to say about your comment. However, I really have no malicious intent. My only intent is to expose bad logic that attempts to discredit a book that is as true as any other book on earth. For one who is not familiar with it to discredit it because they don't want to give it an "honest" read, and take the simple challenge it offers to all honest seekers of truth, is something I can't sit back and watch.
It is nothing personal. My comments are directed at your actions and words, and not at who or what you are. Good people often make honest mistakes.
Something tells me you aren't reading my posts; *really* reading my posts with the intention to learn from others who may know. It appears your mind is already made up, and we have discussed the danger in that already. The Book of Mormon is Another Testament of Jesus Christ. If you reject it you reject what it testifies of.
I will post all of chapter 29 of 2nd Nephi with the intent that you will ponder it and actually read it. If it is logic you like, it doesn't get any better than this... and it is speaking to you!
Listen for the answer to the language thing, and whether or not it matters what language a truth is written in:
1 But behold, there shall be many—at that day when I shall proceed to do a marvelous work among them, that I may remember my covenants which I have made unto the children of men, that I may set my hand again the second time to recover my people, which are of the house of Israel;
2 And also, that I may remember the promises which I have made unto thee, Nephi, and also unto thy father, that I would remember your seed; and that the words of your seed should proceed forth out of my mouth unto your seed; and my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people, which are of the house of Israel;
3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.
12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.
13 And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.
14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the blands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in one. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed iforever.
Sound logic.
Something tells me you won't try to refute any of this logic, because it is sound and you know it can't be. The *only* question is whether or not you are willing to listen.
Last edited by Justice; 12-04-2008 at 08:45 PM.
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