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Old 06-05-2009, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Koizito View Post
Everything we know for sure, every single piece of technology we have at our disposal came from science, reason and mathematical processes... As a society, religion doesn't help a bit and, in some cases, it increases suffering and death... Of course, we may feel more confident if we think there is a cosmical father or something like that helping us, but this is taking it individually...

Albert Einstein wasn't theist, he was a pantheist... He believed the natural laws were god... Like in a metaphor... He didn't believe in a being that is watching for us... And also, I think that by "intuitive" he meant "imaginative, creative", as supposedely a scientist should be...

We already did the impossible: some centuries ago, people thought nothing that was heavier than air would fly, and therefore it was impossible to us, humans, to fly, but now we have giant machines, which weigh much more than air, taking us to far away places... Nothing is impossible...

Knowing the "what" but not the "why" and the "how" is like knowing the story less than half way ... The"why" and the "how" are much more interesting and hard to know...

Evidences are things that you can show anybody and that person wouldn't have other option than to say "yes, the X event occurred...". Faith can't do that, or else even the most rational scientists in the world would have to accept it as evidence... Or as a way to achieve proofs... Actually, one of the objectives of the first model of science was to try to explain things without using supernatural explanations... And that one hasn't changed yet...

And finally, both doubt and fear are good things: doubt makes you look for knowledge, fear makes you want to change things... Both of them, mixed with moral and ethics, are extremely useful...
How convenient for something or someone which existence can't be proved by science or any rational means that faith is good and both doubt and fear are bad...
Einstein was a recalcitrant Jew that just wanted to do his own thing and not be burdened with observing the traditions of his fathers. But he could not avoid the reality of the creation, the universe and the complexity found therein for which he had no explanation. I can humbly tell you that I have pondered, researched and analyze matters of faith and science much longer that you. I am a man of science and inquiry is of God, we have been commanded to search and to learn and be acquainted with the knowledge and the perplexities of the universe. The notion that everything can be explained by rational means is simply not true, in fact is unscientific.

By his own admission: "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." A. Einstein.


He was not the cold, calculating and exclusive mathematician you think he was. Beyond that, we should just agree to disagree. Yo claim there is no God, I say He is certainly very real. You just refuse to met Him, but eventually you will. I'll make sure I'm there the witness the exchange.

Good luck sport.

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