Day 1 - 1 Nephi 1-6, D&C 1-4, Moses 1-3 - Page 2

pam · #11 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 01:03 PM

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1 Nephi 1-5: it never ceases to amaze me, no matter how many times I read these chapters, just how stubborn and proud Laman and Lemuel (hereafter L&L) are. These men saw angels, but still rebelled, since their pride and their material riches mattered more to them than the commands of the Lord

That is exactly the same thing Seanette that I have wondered about time and time again. They saw angels yet continued to murmur.

pam · #12 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 01:04 PM

Awesome post Seanette. You brought out many things that I thought about as well while reading.

ruthiechan · #13 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanette

1 Nephi 1-5: it never ceases to amaze me, no matter how many times I read these chapters, just how stubborn and proud Laman and Lemuel (hereafter L&L) are. These men saw angels, but still rebelled, since their pride and their material riches mattered more to them than the commands of the Lord.

Seriously, that never ceases to amaze me either.
I love Sam. He is such an under appreciated character, person. He supported Nephi completely. He was just very quiet about it.

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Pearl of Great Price: here we have mostly material restored in connection with the Prophet's inspired translation of the Bible. On a personal note, I dearly love the JST for its clarity and richness as material is restored and errors corrected. One thing that should be remembered in Scriptures in the Old Testament time period is that Jehovah is the premortal Jesus. Since the Fall banished mankind from being able to be in the presence of the Father, it's the Son who deals with us in this time period.

But it's God the Father who spoke face to face with Moses. . . So that means some people *could* be in the presence of the Father.
And it appeared to me that in the Sections of the Doctrine and Covenants we just read that it was God the Father speaking to Joseph Smith.

Seanette · #14 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 08:51 PM

I'm not sure about that, given that Jehovah frequently spoke for the Father, speaking as the Father would have.

ruthiechan · #15 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 05:45 PM

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I'm not sure about that, given that Jehovah frequently spoke for the Father, speaking as the Father would have.

I'm not so sure that Jehovah is Christ. I tried looking up more info on that but I found that in topical guide there's reference to God the Father - Jehovah, and Jesus Christ - Jehovah.

ruthiechan · #16 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 06:45 PM

Things I noticed was that the Father called Moses by name and then called him "my son".
When the Father said in chapter 1 verse 6, that "there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all" the I know them all caught my eye. God the father is omniscience, as in he as all knowledge, which is why he is he all powerful. Knowledge is power.

In verse 10 when Moses says that man is nothing I like the footnote referencing humility. It's too easy for people to take man is nothing the wrong way, interpreting it as worthless when that's not what Moses said at all.

In verse 11 Moses says "mine own eyes have beheld God,; but not my natural, but my spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him."

After this experience he was able to say to Satan when Satan tries to get Moses to worship him (vs 13-15, "where is they glory that I should worship thee? For behold I could not look upon God except his glory should come upon me, and I were transfigured before him. But I can look upon thee in the natural man." Then he goes on to say, "Blessed be the name of my God, for his Spirit hath not altogether withdrawn from me . . . (vs 18) I will not cease to call upon God, I have other things to inquire of him; for his glory has been upon me, wherefore I can judge between him and thee. "

Moses was able to discern the difference between Satan and God because of his experience with God.

In verse 20, after Satan basically has a hissy cow Moses started to feel afraid. It was after fearing Satan is when Moses saw the bitterness of hell.

In Chapter 3 God said in verse 5, "For I the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth . . . for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;" and then he says it again in verse 7 ". . . all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word. " Three times, God said that everything was created in the spirit first.

In verse 9 God said, "And out of the ground made I, the Lord God, to grow every tree, naturally, that is pleasant to the sight of man; and man could behold it. And it became also a living soul. For it was spiritual in the day that I created it; for it remaineth in the sphere in which I, God, create it, yea, even all things which I prepared for the use of man;" Right here God says that trees have souls.

In verse 19 "And out of the ground I, the Lord God, formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the ear, and commanded that they should come unto Adam, to see what he would call them; and they were also living souls; for I, God, breathed into them the breath of life;" Here God says that animals have souls.