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04-14-2008, 10:59 AM
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Which Church is Right?
Which Church is Right?
There are three major Christian churches which claim to be the Savior's only true church. The issue boils down to one crucial point: Has the Savior's church continued on the earth without interruption from the time it was founded? Or, did the original church fall away and hence need to be restored through a latter-day Prophet?
Three choices: Of the major Christian churches, only three claim to be the one and only true church of Jesus Christ----Roman Catholic Church, Easter Orthodox Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
For several centuries the Catholics and the Orthodox Church were part of one "Universal" church. Due to doctrinal disputes and other conflicts, they eventually split into two separate churches and have remained divided ever since. Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy teach that the Lord's church has remained on the earth since the time He established it, and both claim to be that very same church.
Mormonism, on the other hand, teaches that the Savior's ancient church fell away not long after the death of the apostles and that it was restored 1830 through a latter-day prophet.
Seventeen points of the True Church: Does your Protestant Faith have and use all of these true points.
1. Christ organized the church Eph 4:11
2. Must bear the name of Jesus Christ Eph 5:23
3. Must have a foundation of Apostles and Prophets Eph 2:20
4. Must have the same organization as Christ's Church Eph 4:11-14
5. Must claim divine authority Heb 5:4-10
6. Must not have any PAID Ministry Isa. 45: 13 Peter 5: 2
7. Must Baptize by Immersion Matt 3: 13-1
8. Must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of Hands Acts 8: 17
9. Must practice divine healing Mark 3:14-15
10. Must teach that God and Jesus Christ are separate and distant individuals John 17:11 and John 20:17
11. Must teach that God and Jesus Christ have bodies of flesh and bones. Luke 24:36-39 and Acts 19:11
12 Must be called by God Heb. 5:4, Exodus 40: 13-16, Exodus 28:1
13. Must claim revelation from God Amos 3:7
14. Must be a missionary church Matt 28: 19-20
15. Must be a restored church Acts 3:19-20
16. Must practice baptism for the dead 1 Cor. 15: 15-16 and 29
17. By their fruits ye shall know them Matt. 7:20
If you don't find all of this true points in your faith, please consider the LDS Church!
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04-14-2008, 06:18 PM
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Where in the Bible does it say that a "true" church must have 17 points? There is no mention in the Bible of a "true Church" and it's requirements. This is a man made todo list IMO and the only truth is in our relationship with Jesus..
Regarding the 17 points
1 - Most protestant faiths has Christ as the head of thier church, as he is to be the head of our lives.
2 - Ephesians 5:23 says nothing about bearing the name of Jesus Christ. It just furthur re-iterates what I said above - That Christ should be the head of the Church.
3 - Eph 2:19 - This is not a commandment - this is a statement of what our family is in Christ "Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit. ( THis is one of my favorite passages...)
.......I could go through each one but I hope you are seeing what I am getting at. There is no mention of a "True Church" or a "Valid Church" or any of that.. The only "Must haves for a True Church" are the ones in your post. I see nothing of that in the Bible.
Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.–Matt. 18:20
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04-14-2008, 06:29 PM
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Which Church is Right?
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Sorry, but this setup was too good to resist. ANSWER: Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site
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One of the things I think is misleading - is this question of which church is right? One thing I have learned in life is that if you ask the wrong question you will always get the wrong answer. There are several problems about this approach – in my mind.
First off may I point out that belonging to the “right” church does not make you any more a Christian than sleeping in a garage will make you a Chevy. Somehow, someway people get the notion that the great solution of life is belonging to the right church. It just ain’t so.
The next great argument is that my church somehow makes me a better person. That is fine. I am happy for you. But just in case anybody ever listens or pays attention and has not figured it out yet – G-d and church and all this religious stuff is not about you and you getting what you need and want. Sorry but it does not matter what you think you think but Jesus Christ is not about you focusing on you. Bottom line is that it does not matter much what field you think you are in, if you are focused on you then you will grow up to be tares and not wheat.
When I was little we often did not get a whole treat – we had to cut it in half. The family rule was the one that does not cut the treat gets the first choice. My older brother was the master cutter and always jumped at the opportunity to cut the treat. He was so cleaver. He would cut the treat so that one piece was a little bigger than the other knowing that the picker will be happy he got the bigger peace and knowing there would be no argument or complaining – or checking. That is because he cut off a little peace that he hid so that no matter what, he got the most.
This is what I think most do with religion. They are so selfish that they make sure they get what they want first. They cut their religion out so that it always fits what ever can be argued as right and so they make it sure into heaven.
If you have to tell people you are in the right religion or that you have a personal relationship with G-d – maybe you ought to wonder why they are so dumb that they could not figure it out on their own. Maybe, just maybe – they are not the really dumb one.
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04-15-2008, 10:12 AM
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Traveller - an excellent post.. ( The chevy/garage analogy made me crack up! well done)
I am 100% behind you in the belief that it is not the Church or the 'religion' that brings you closer to God.. All these rules of the "true Church" and the "only way" are of man - and not of God.
"no one comes to the Father except through Me"
That is all we need to remember............
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04-15-2008, 04:06 PM
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What is the purpose(s) of a church?
Which church(s) today more closely mirrors the church at the time that Christ lived?
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04-15-2008, 04:51 PM
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Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.–Matt. 18:20
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Ah, you gave one of my favorite scriptures.
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04-15-2008, 05:04 PM
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Traveler,
Rather then then Chevy example, I had heard the saying as "going to McDonalds doesn't make you a hamburger".
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04-15-2008, 05:11 PM
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Traveler,
Rather then then Chevy example, I had heard the saying as "going McDonalds doesn't make you a hamburger".
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No, that makes you sick
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  
But realy it's The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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Couldn't be--my font was bigger than yours.
MEMO TO LILERED: SEE POST #3. :::smile:::
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