Alcohol

[abqfriend]

Indeed Praying about a concern is helpful.
If one would substitute "grape juice" for every time "wine" is used in texts of The Sacred Scripture/The Bible - I think one would have a problem with the general meaning of most of the texts in -of the Old and New Testaments.
There are exceptions to a textual understanding-but in general-"wine" means a fermented grape drink and not "grape juice."

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Hows your faith with prayers in seeking an answer? This is one you will need to clearly seek. It may surprise you. Something I had prayer over years ago in my own ignorance when I noted Noah was drunk from fermented wine.

[Hemidakota]

I am only referring too the Marriage Feast. You have to look at the writer [Luke] and note his understanding of a Jewish fest in adding the term 'wine.' Whether or not it is wine fermented, what was given was not fermented. If so, the Savior could not able to stand in Holier Places.

[abqfriend]

I do not know what you mean by "holier places." The text does not say that Jesus drank the wine-but that the water was changed into wine.
Jewish weddings traditionally have wine.
If you ever have the chance to attend a Jewish wedding do so-you will have a great time! You do not have to drink the wine to have a great time!

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

I am only referring too the Marriage Feast. You have to look at the writer [Luke] and note his understanding of a Jewish fest in adding the term 'wine.' Whether or not it is wine fermented, what was given was not fermented. If so, the Savior could not able to stand in Holier Places.

[Hemidakota]

I do know....Thanks

Let me correct myself, it was John who accounted for this miracle.

[Islander]

Fun...Age old questions.

"Wine" as it is translated frmo the Hebrew bible does not necessarily equate to our modern conception of "wine" Napa Valley style. In the 1st century Palestine they did not process wine like we do it today. In fact, observant Jews would not drink a supermarket style wine today. They did not ferment wine for 3-12 months or mix and add and boil like it is done today (foodborne illnesses were known) for they would go agains kosher laws.

Grape juice "wine" was set in pots in order for the impurities of the process to settle at the bottom of the pot. Covered in a linen cloth at room temperature for 1-2 weeks and then placed in clean animal skins for as long as they had to be transported to the markets which could be 2-6 weeks. Some fermentation could naturally occur and the skins could burst, which was an unintentional byproduct of closed storage.

I guess no Chardonnay back in those days, uh?

[Hemidakota]

Noting the pots, are these vessels considered cleansing pots that will hold about 25-gallons of water?

[abqfriend]

So when I read some Sacred Scripture Texts-I assume the people got drunk on grape juice?
Grape Juice is a mocker?
You may wish to ask an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi-about how wine was viewed then and now by those of the Orthodox Jewish tradition. -I think you might get a different answer.
Orthodox Jews would not drink supermarket style wine today either-as almost all supermarket style wines today have added sulfites and other added ingredients.
There are some Kosher Wines available today-but they are few in number.

Originally Posted by Islander

Fun...Age old questions.

"Wine" as it is translated frmo the Hebrew bible does not necessarily equate to our modern conception of "wine" Napa Valley style. In the 1st century Palestine they did not process wine like we do it today. In fact, observant Jews would not drink a supermarket style wine today. They did not ferment wine for 3-12 months or mix and add and boil like it is done today (foodborne illnesses were known) for they would go agains kosher laws.

Grape juice "wine" was set in pots in order for the impurities of the process to settle at the bottom of the pot. Covered in a linen cloth at room temperature for 1-2 weeks and then placed in clean animal skins for as long as they had to be transported to the markets which could be 2-6 weeks. Some fermentation could naturally occur and the skins could burst, which was an unintentional byproduct of closed storage.

I guess no Chardonnay back in those days, uh?

[Islander]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Noting the pots, are these vessels considered cleansing pots that will hold about 25-gallons of water?

Nope. These were specially designed jugs for wine. They had a lid of sorts and were designed to hold about 5 gallons of wine. From there the wine was transfered to table size jars of about 1 gallon to serve at dinner time as needed. This very light grape juice was served everyday for dinner instead of water and as you can imagine, one table spoon of today's cough syrup has more alcohol than that. At Passover it was served 1/3 water 2/3 "wine" diluting the beverage.

[Hemidakota]

I was referring too the pots of water that was brought before Him.

[Islander]

Originally Posted by abqfriend

So when I read some Sacred Scripture Texts-I assume the people got drunk on grape juice?
Grape Juice is a mocker?
You may wish to ask an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi-about how wine was viewed then and now by those of the Orthodox Jewish tradition. -I think you might get a different answer.
Orthodox Jews would not drink supermarket style wine today either-as almost all supermarket style wines today have added sulfites and other added ingredients.
There are some Kosher Wines available today-but they are few in number.

True, you may find some kosher wines in certain markets today. Depending on the person/family they would buy it or not. Some Rabi may find objection with the wines or not as well depending on the process.

Again, we have issues here with the word translated "wine" which in Hebrew is not just one word but many. Things translated as "wine" included fermented drinks of various types (not just grapes including rudimentary beers), fermented raisins cake, boiled down red grape juice, vinaigrette with added spices or drugs (no idea what those could have been) or even dibs which Arabs ("Jack" Muslims, non-observant) drink today. It is a syrup like beverage of honey and grape juice. I have some Mid Eastern neighbors and they showed me some time ago. I did not try it but it smelled wonderful!! I and I was told it had a heck of a kick....hehehehe.