"The Angel Nephi or Moroni?"

[KosherXMorg]

A pamphlet from the Church of Christ [w/ the Elijah Message]. It makes a lot of sense...

THE ANGEL
NEPHI
OR
MORONI?
Prove all things by the words of truth in The Bible,
Record of Nephites and The Word of the Lord. All this is
established for mankind, the guidelines of hope and
deliverance. Man’s idealisms shall come to naught.
Message 102:18
Because we, The Church of Christ “The Church With the
Elijah Message,” believe in The Record of the Nephites (better
known as The Book of Mormon), we are put into the category of
what some call “The Restoration Movement.” What we like to be
called is “Christians” and nothing else. Why? Because we feel
that much of the Restoration Movement base their beliefs on
man-written historical events that are not consistent with the
inspired written word. In other words, their beliefs are based on
history, not the written word of God. Please remember that in the
Bible, Malachi 3:6, God says He changes not. It is so important
that we believe in an unchangeable God.
One of the beliefs in the Restoration is that the angel Moroni
appeared unto Joseph Smith. We believe that it was the angel
Nephi. Please let us explain our position on this subject.
In two different places in the Bible, there is a story about when
several people came to Jesus, trying to trick him. They gave Him
a scenario about a woman that married a man, and he died, then
she married his brother and he died, so she married the other
brother and he died. The question asked was, “Whose wife is she
in the resurrection?” Mark 12:24,25 And Jesus answering said
unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the
scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall
rise from the dead (the resurrected), they neither marry, nor
are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in
heaven. In the book of Luke 20:35-36, concerning the same
story, Jesus states it this way: But they which shall be
accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection
from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the
angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the
resurrection.
This tells us there are at least two different kinds of angels:
Angels made at the beginning, and then those that were human at
one time and were resurrected. Now let’s understand that the
generic term for an angel really means “Heavenly Creature.”
Now let’s go to The Record of the Nephites and turn to the 40th
chapter of Alma, where an angel told Alma what happens to the
souls from death until their resurrection.
Alma 40:11. Now concerning the state of the soul between
death and the resurrection. Behold, it hath been made known
unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they
are departed from this mortal body; yea, the spirits of all
men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that
God who gave them life.
12. And then shall it come to pass that the spirits of those
which are righteous, are received into a state of happiness,
which is called paradise; a state of rest; a state of peace,
where they shall rest from all their troubles, and from all
care, and sorrow, &c.
13. And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the
wicked, yea, which are evil; for behold, they have no part nor
portion of the spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil
works, rather than good; therefore the spirit of the Devil did
enter into them, and take possession of their house; and these
shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping,
and wailing, and gnashing of teeth; and this because of their
own iniquity; being led captive by the will of the Devil.
14. Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked; yea, in
darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for of the fiery
indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain
in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time
of their resurrection.
Now we see that all souls stay either in Paradise or in [Hell]
until their resurrection. Correct?
Now let’s take another step. When was there a resurrection?
We can find this in Matthew 27:52,53: And the graves were
opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And
came out of the graves after his resurrection (Jesus), and went
into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
We have to understand that the saints were the only ones to
have risen, and those that slept (the dead, you don’t sleep in
graves) went into the Holy City. This is a resurrection. That’s the
only way they could have gone from one place to another.
The next step is to find out when the next resurrection will be.
This we can also find in the Bible. In the Second book of
Thessalonians 4:16, For the Lord himself shall descend from
heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the
trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. When
Christ comes back to Earth is when the next resurrection is going
to be.
The point that we are making is the saints that died before
Christ were resurrected and became as angels. The saints that died
after Christ are still in Paradise waiting for their resurrection,
which won’t be until Christ comes back to Earth. Nephi lived and
died before Christ. Moroni died after Christ. So Moroni is still in
paradise awaiting his resurrection. Even in Moroni’s last
statement, the very last verse of The Record of the Nephites (or
Book of Mormon), it states: (Moroni 10:34) And now I bid unto
all, farewell. I soon go to rest in the Paradise of God, until my
spirit and body shall again reunite, and I am brought forth
triumphant through the air, to meet you before the pleasing
bar of the great Jehovah, the Eternal Judge of both quick and
dead. Amen.
Now let’s go to the books on Church History, Volume one,
page 12. It states that the angel that appeared to Joseph Smith was
named “NEPHI.” At the bottom of the page it states “later
changed to Moroni.” In other publications, it may state that the
angel’s name was Moroni, but again at the bottom of the page, it
will state that originally it was Nephi. Also in The Times and
Seasons, which Joseph Smith was supposed to have edited it
before going to print, it also states that the angels name was
Nephi. There is so much confusion in the Restoration’s history,
and we know who is the author of confusion
So here is where the problem lies: Are we to base our beliefs
on the written history of man, or base our beliefs on the written
word of God? We of The Church of Christ, will base our beliefs
on the written word of God Almighty.
Printed by the Board of Publications of
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
“THE CHURCH WITH THE ELIJAH MESSAGE”
P.O. Box 1134
INDEPENDENCE MO 64051 U.S.A.
PHONE & FAX: 816-833-0640
Web Site: The Church of Christ - "The Church with the Elijah Message"
E-Mail: elijahmessage@peoplepc.com

[KosherXMorg]

How does this belong in the "Christian Beliefs" area. This is a topic about the Book of Mormon. I think I'm going to go insane.

[skalenfehl]

Originally Posted by KosherXMorg

...What we like to be
called is “Christians” and nothing else. ...Are we to base our beliefs
on the written history of man, or base our beliefs on the written
word of God? We of The Church of Christ, will base our beliefs
on the written word of God Almighty.
Printed by the Board of Publications of
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
“THE CHURCH WITH THE ELIJAH MESSAGE”

While the LDS church is a Christian church, so is The Church of Christ, which isn't the LDS church, hence it was moved.

[KosherXMorg]

Whatever.

[skalenfehl]

Originally Posted by KosherXMorg

Because we, The Church of Christ “The Church With the
Elijah Message,” believe in The Record of the Nephites (better
known as The Book of Mormon), we are put into the category of
what some call “The Restoration Movement.” What we like to be
called is “Christians” and nothing else.

Kosher, your own post distinguishes its church from the LDS church. Am I missing something?

[KosherXMorg]

You could put it under the Book of Mormon category. This topic isn't about "Christian Beliefs" as this category is intended. It's about the giving of the Book of Mormon by people who believe in the Book of Mormon.
Whatever leave it here, nobody is going to touch it with a 10 foot pole anyways.

[Jbs2763]

Originally Posted by KosherXMorg

Whatever.

dude, you whine alot

[Xzain]

Sooo... is the point of this to offer some kind of proof against the LDS church, or just to offer interesting ideas from another church?

It is interesting, but I don't see the point.

[Tough Grits]

I just don't get it.

Why do people come to this site to post stuff to discredit or add smoke and mirrors to what we consider to be truth?

Why can't those who find us "misinformed", "misguided", and "brainwashed" just talk about us behind our backs on other non-LDS forums?

Why is this kind of thing allowed to be posted?

Why not make a new discussion area only for those who wish to offer up arguments against our Church, faith, beliefs, doctrines, and principles. That way, the rest of us who are tired of being exposed to such nonsense don't have to be bombarded by this kind of stuff on a "supposedly" LDS site. We could call that discussion area: The Pretending Not To Be Anti-LDS (but really are) Board

Just my opinion. Nothing against anybody or their beliefs...but come on, I am not on the forums of other faiths trying to find chinks in their armor.

[Xzain]

I don't know if Kosher was trying to present attacks on the LDS church- the article does (from my perspective) make implicit attacks on the LDS church, but that may be bias on my part.

Kosher, do you have any points you would like to specifically discuss?