Same sex marriage. Impact begins - Page 10

symphonyofdissent · #91 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 09:34 PM

Wanted to post this link which rebuts some of the main harms that are often talked about in reference to the same sex marriage status currently in place in California.

Six Big Lies the Freedom-Haters Are Spreading About Proposition 8 | Lavender Newswire

ama49 · #92 (**permalink**) 10-15-2008, 10:29 AM

Father put in Jail for not Allowing Same-sex Marriage to be Taught to his Child at School Grace for Grace

Moksha · #93 (**permalink**) 10-15-2008, 05:27 PM

Canada has allowed gay marriages for about three years now and they are still building new Temples in Canada. Utah and the Church weathered the ending of interracial marriage laws just fine, even though we had been for them. We all are capable of adapting to change and making the best of it. We are a prophetic and resilient people.

rameumptom · #94 (**permalink**) 10-16-2008, 01:01 PM

The key for me is that historically marriage was instituted as a government sanctioned and recognized entity, because it gave benefit and value to society. Marriage between man and woman gave a foundation upon which society could promote and advance its views and structures to future generations. Marriage allowed for the raising of children in a standard way, based upon a natural foundation (children are formed by male/female relations).

Society has taken action against other similar forms that have attempted to receive equal status: polygamy and "living together." We've had issues about palimony in the past, where partners have sued each other when they break up. Courts have been divided on how to handle such events, except when children are involved.

The issue here is SSM provides a benefit and legitimacy to the SSM couple. But what benefit is provided to society? The only reason for society to regulate marriage is because society gains a clear benefit from supporting and legitimizing that relationship. I just do not see how SSM gives any benefit to me or others in society. If we begin to authorize/legitimize relationships on the basis that they benefit the individuals involved, and not necessarily any benefit for society, then we need to also legalize other relationships on that view: polygamy would be one. Should we stop charging teachers with molestation, if they show an actual relationship with the student? What about the old lady with her 50 cats: should they also get medical benefits because they are the closest thing to family she has?

The nuances are endless here. Which is why we have to get away from how this benefits the individual, and how it must benefit society.

MarginOfError · #95 (**permalink**) 10-17-2008, 07:16 AM

I agree with a large portion of that, ram. However, I can only think that if that's going to be the argument, then we should strip tax benefits away from married couples with no children.

Hemidakota · #96 (**permalink**) 10-17-2008, 07:20 AM

Again, anyone thinking this is about taxation think again. Go look at those states that already allow same gender marriages and problems that many are now facing. Margin, this statement is not condoning you.

rameumptom · #97 (**permalink**) 10-17-2008, 07:23 AM

We have no control over if a couple have children. All government can do is encourage the institution that ensures the survival of society. Yes, it also benefits government to have people with children. I guess that's why children are given an exemption on our taxes - as encouragement and support from the Government.

There's a difference between government supporting/encouraging an institution that benefits society, and government ordering/enforcing obedience to a law. Should we illegalize living together or homosexuality, simply because they do not benefit society? Or should we just encourage the organization that has for centuries held society together? Or both?

Elgama · #98 (**permalink**) 10-17-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ama49

Father put in Jail for not Allowing Same-sex Marriage to be Taught to his Child at School Grace for Grace

sadly this only appears to be on LDS websites, my best friend is homosexual and is our chosen guardian if something should happen to my husband and I because he will help them remain LDS and love them to bits -I just hope he never reads this because he may no longer be so friendly towards the church. By all means oppose things but do it with intelligence and love not lies, propaganda and whipping up hatred that to me is up there with the mob that attacked the church.

-Charley