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Old 06-26-2008, 07:32 AM
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Yes there is a shuttle bus available at terminal 3.
do I need to buy a pass or pay when I get on the shuttle???
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Here is a quick overview of what LDS folks believe about life after death. This is from our 'Gospel Principles' Sunday School class we give to new members, people who are investigating the church, and members who want to brush up on the basics.

The Postmortal Spirit World
Where Is the Spirit World?
What Are Spirits Like?
Divisions in the Spirit World
-Paradise
-Spirit Prison

The Last Judgment
Judgments of God
Our Words, Works, and Thoughts Are Used to Judge Us
We Will Be Judged by Records
Those Who Will Judge
Assignment to Glories
- Celestial
- Terrestrial
- Telestial
- Outer Darkness
We Should Prepare Now for Judgment

Exaltation
What Is Exaltation?
Blessings of Exaltation
Requirements for Exaltation
After We Have Endured to the End

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No. We could not abide the glory of a higher kingdom. For this reason, those who cannot live at least a terrestrial law while in this life when Christ returns, will perish when the Earth burns as a fiery furnace. They will burn with everything else that is Telestial.
As the Earth will be moved to those worlds that abode in that state.
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The question to ask if a person who receives and reside in the Celestial Kingdom needs to receive a 'White Stone', which observe those above Him/Her, is there another state that we are not aware of and is progression a furthering process after second estate.

Assuming by theory if one ‘could’ progress from Telestial to the Terrestrial state then to the Celestial, those who are in the Celestial may already moved on. We are still outside the realm of that Creator.

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do I need to buy a pass or pay when I get on the shuttle???
Who needs a shuttle....just jump into the LIGHT STREAM when it appears.
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This makes more sense than the views of my church. I just have a hard time believing that Gandhi is in hell while the Son of Sam will be in heaven (he became a Christian while in prison for those who don't know).

Now for another question, what about Christians who were not Mormons? Which kingdom do they go to? And also what about people that have heard of Christianity and decided it was false yet still lived what could be considered a morally good life?

BTW...According to your Church...Mother Theresa is in Hell with Ghandi...
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Well, not to contradict Skal, but I suppose more to clarify, I have heard it said in Conference that those from a higher kingdom will be able to visit lower kingdoms. As far as someone from say the Terrestial kingdom being able to progress into the Celestial kingdom, I've heard both sides of the story, but the general LDS culture suggests that this is not possible. My personal opinion is the opposite, that everyone (except sons of perdition) can progress eternally but for those in lower kingdoms it takes longer. A quick search on LDS.org doesn't elaborate, however I'm open to any revelatory references on the subject.
I agree to the extent that Christ will visit and minister to those in the Terrestrial Kingdom, but not the Telestial Kingdom. The Holy Ghost will visit and minister to those in all three kingdoms. I have yet to learn from any official source that we can progress from a lower kingdom to a higher after we are judged. This is our only probation here on earth. For this reason we have been warned by prophets since the time of Adam that this is the time to prepare to meet God. Those in a lower kingdom could not abide the glory, brightness or intelligence (light) of those in a higher kingdom. From my studies, each kingdom except the Celestial has a ceiling of progress. Only in the Celestial Kingdom can we progress indefinitely and have eternal increase.

It stands to reason that those in a higher kingdom could abide a lower kingdom. I find it interesting, though, that Father in Heaven will not visit the Terrestrial nor will Christ visit the Telestial, assuming I understand correct doctrine.
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Holy Ghost - will visit the two kingdoms...there is no need to visit someone in the Celestial when you are standing in the same presence.
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Other objectives that are unresolved: matter is not made by GOD then by whom? Intelligences is not created by GOD then by whom? There are more....
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Holy Ghost - will visit the two kingdoms...there is no need to visit someone in the Celestial when you are standing in the same presence.
I find it interesting to note that the three kingdoms may not necessarily be physically separate from each other as we are not separate from those who have passed on to the Spirit World (prison/paradise) here on Earth, but are only "separated" by finer matter, per se, while still in the same location, but in a different "dimension." Perhaps the separation between kingdoms will be similar. I'm only guessing. Is this what you're inferring, Hemi?
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