Speaking with Spirits

[MrNirom]

I suppose for many people.. who have never "experienced" such things.. it is easy to conjure up all kinds of images of what is being done and said.

I am not trying to convince anybody here to change the way they feel about it.. but let me give you "my" experience.

My son was accused by his step sister of having intercourse with her. He was 17.. she was 11. He told me.. Dad.. I did not do this. What more could he say? The Government determined in a secret grand jury that he did have sex with her. They set his bail at 1 million dollars. A year later (yes he was in jail the entire time) he had his trial. This child said he did it with her 35 - 40 times in a two year period. She did not give a date that it happened nor a particular weekend nor was she required to. In other words.. there was no way that my son could establish an alibi. It was.. his word versus her word.

All I had was his word. He said no.. I did not do it.. she said yes.. you did. This is in a house of 2 adults and 6 children.. and nobody ever saw anything.

How could I really know if my son was lying or not? In my mind.. I was told "he didn't do it."

I then went to two psychic mediums. A gal by the name of Laurie McQuary. She has appeared on psychic detectives many times. She has helped the police solve many cases. I went to her... and she told me exactly who did it.. that my son did not.. she told me where this person lived.. everything. She also told me that this little girl was exaggerating and adding more to her story to get the attention of her mother.

I went to another medium.. (I did not tell either of these mediums why I was there) She connected with my ex wife. The medium said to me.. I have a woman here who is telling me.. it's not my son.. it's not my son. She then went on to explain that my son has been accused of crime he did not commit. She told me that this other person was close to my son, did it.. but that it was not my son.

Now I had 3 different sources that told me he was innocent. Yet, he was convicted and sentenced to 12 years.. no probation allowed nor no time off for good behavior. That was 4 years ago. The jury simply believed her story. His story was: "I didn't do it".

Now.. some people will say.. Yea.. God did the right thing by putting your son away. If he got convicted.. he must be guilty. God's justice is good.

I had the proof I needed to know he was innocent. I gave this info to the police.. but they felt they had their man.. and would do nothing. I could not prove a thing. I still today know that he is innocent.. and there are people who don't believe me.

Mediums tell me it is like a water faucet in their mind. They open the faucet.. and the messages come pouring out. To have their mind quieted.. they "turn off" the faucet.

So personally.. I believe people do have the ability to do this. But I am sure that God does not want us spending our time pursuing this.. as it as no value in our salvation. Me learning what I did.. did nothing for me on an eternal level. And like most things.. we humans have the ability to "obsess" with many things. It is easier.. to go to a medium.. and hear something from the other side.. than getting on our knees and praying.

There are many things that are real and are of God.. that go on in the background. ie.. Guardian Angels. We all talk about them.. believe in them.. but are not told much about them.. Like who they are.. why they do what they do.. etc. There are many things that Joseph Smith said that he was not allowed to tell us about.. Things that we did not need to know about.. yet they were still real and there.


I no longer visit mediums. But I can not deny what I have learned from them.. It is just more information I received on things that don't really play an important part in my salvation. Kinda like knowing that Jesus Christ created worlds without end. We only see and hear about our world.. and are told not to concern ourselves with all the others as their existence is not relevant to us. It is information we have..but in no way does it affect our salvation by either knowing about it.. or not knowing about it.

But Satan can easily convince people to "believe" more in the mediums that in the spirit of the Holy Ghost. And there is where lies the deception. That is his "hook" to be deceived. We know that Satan does divulge truth.. to capture. Teach a little truth here.. a little there.. and so he allows the truth to be taught through the mediums. The more you listen to the mediums.. the more you believe.. the more you believe.. the easier at some point in time to be deceived. Is that not what we believe about all the other churches? They have "some" truth.. just not all. That there is a little truth here and a little truth there. People from other religions feel the Spirit of the Holy Ghost testify to them. What is he testifying to? The truth that is being taught at that time.. right?

Is that not what non-Mormons claim about us anyway? They too feel that we have been deceived by Satan and have been blinded by our faith by believing in a "seer", a "revelator", named Joseph Smith? A man who saw and talked to Historical and Biblical people who are "dead". The parallel is amazing.

So I do understand the warnings... and I do heed them.

[jimuk]

MrNirom, after reading your above post i took a look at your profile and i feel you have had so many trials and more than your fair share of hurt and suffering, you have a beautiful family.
I wish i had half the strength you must have to be able push on with your love for your father in heaven, He loves you so so much.
I know this with a surety, he holds a special place for all of us in his heart.

[Traveler]

There are two kinds of spirits. There are spirits of light and there are unclean spirits of darkness. A spirit of light can only be expressed through a uniquely prepared (repentant) holy individual. Anciently, such repentant and holy individuals were called prophets, seers and revelators. Such expressions of spirits of light have not changed even in our day and age. A prophet never was or never will be educated and endowed with degrees in a university to qualify them to receive and pass on any light from a spirit of light.

It is now and always has been the purpose of unclean spirits to beguile those that they influence and that will receive their voice. Therefore all that speak with spirits are known by their fruits for an unclean tree (unprepared individual) cannot and will not produce holy and enlightening fruit.

The Traveler

[WANDERER]

Ummm...I'd avoid any kind of interest in spirits....excepting the Holy Spirit.

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by WANDERER

Ummm...I'd avoid any kind of interest in spirits....excepting the Holy Spirit.

It is always best to avoid those liquid spirits, unless of course you are trapped in a blizzard and a friendly St. Bernard happens by with a keg of brandy strapped to its neck. In that case, I say it would be good to pull the snifter out of your rucksack and share a toast.

[prospectmom]

Mr I belive all you say and feel so sad for your son.... Has this step-daughter ever recanted her statements????? Hopefully she may... Lots of people are convicted and are innocent...... It is sad ...... so quick to judge, twisting facts, >...... How is your son????

[MrNirom]

Originally Posted by prospectmom

Mr I belive all you say and feel so sad for your son.... Has this step-daughter ever recanted her statements????? Hopefully she may... Lots of people are convicted and are innocent...... It is sad ...... so quick to judge, twisting facts, >...... How is your son????

No.. she has not yet recanted.. I pray for a softening of her heart that she might someday.

As for my son, he spends his sentence one minute at a time. For what more can he do? In the four years he has been incarcerated.. he has not been in trouble once. Most people who know him.. will say he does not belong there.

It use to be that a woman would complain of being assaulted.. and nothing would happen. The pendulum now swings to the opposite side where one can get convicted just by being accused. There no longer has to be proof.. Just a belief in what a person says. And in that courtroom.. it was her testimony vs his testimony. They simply believed her. For how can one prove they didn't do something?

I don't want to make this thread about my son.. that was not its purpose.. but thank you for asking.

[prospectmom]

I had to ask... :}

When my mom was away from us hunting with dad my sister got sick. My mother whilehunting heard my sister crying in the breeze....... She knew and acted upon this prompting..... .......

[MrNirom]

Originally Posted by prospectmom

I had to ask... :}

When my mom was away from us hunting with dad my sister got sick. My mother whilehunting heard my sister crying in the breeze....... She knew and acted upon this prompting..... .......

You know.. I can understand that.

Would you believe it if I told you that this little girl also put her Uncle away for 12 years?.. just a year and half before my son.

Believe it!

Now.. if you were the mother... how much protecting would you do of this little girl?

[lilered]

CS Lewis said it best:
There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors, and hail a materialist or magician with the same delight.
C. S. Lewis

It seems to me to be a slippery slope when one tries to communicate with spirits. Remember, Satan has great power in the spirit world.