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[Hemidakota]

We are first taught by the First Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost. The Second Comforter is Jesus the Christ. The Savior quoted:

"I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.".

Joseph Smith taught that within the program of the gospel there are two Comforters. "One is the Holy Ghost, the same as given on the day of Pentecost, and that all Saints receive after faith, repentance, and baptism," he explained. "The other Comforter spoken of is a subject of great interest," the Prophet continued, "and perhaps understood by few of this generation." Concerning it, a revelation declared: "This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom."

[chriscb]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

We are first taught by the First Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost. The Second Comforter is Jesus the Christ. The Savior quoted:

"I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.".

Joseph Smith taught that within the program of the gospel there are two Comforters. "One is the Holy Ghost, the same as given on the day of Pentecost, and that all Saints receive after faith, repentance, and baptism," he explained. "The other Comforter spoken of is a subject of great interest," the Prophet continued, "and perhaps understood by few of this generation." Concerning it, a revelation declared: "This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom."

So the roles are reversed? Because when Jesus was physically on this earth, He was the First Comforter and the Second was the Holy Spirit. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever".

[Hemidakota]

You noticed when the Savior was here, there was no Holy Ghost. One member of the Godhead is presence only. It was after did they finally received the First Comforter or the Holy Ghost, which is revealed in the Book of Acts.

If you could look in heaven and view the throne of GOD, you find three separate beings. Two of which have physical bodies, GOD the FATHER, Jesus Christ the Son, and the last one, having a spirit body only, is the Holy Ghost.

Going back to my previous remark, two points in this statement are of special importance: First, Jesus associated the other Comforter directly with the Spirit of truth, which is the Holy Ghost. Joseph Smith made it clear that the Holy Ghost Himself is not the second Comforter, but that He ratifies and thereby binds the promise of eternal life upon faithful saints. The Prophet and others were given this same promise in a revelation: "Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it [i.e., the other Comforter] may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John." Having identified this Comforter as that which Jesus promised to His disciples, the revelation then declared that that Comforter (i.e., the Holy Spirit of promise), which was to abide in their hearts, was "the promise . . . of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom." The other Comforter of which Christ spoke, therefore, was the divine promise or guarantee sealed in the hearts of the faithful by the revelation and power of the Holy Spirit that they would receive eternal life in the world to come, which is the glory of the celestial kingdom. This is the more sure word of prophecy, which is for a man to know "that he is sealed up unto eternal life, by revelation and the spirit of prophecy, through the power of the Holy Priesthood."

Second, Jesus stated that He would manifest Himself to those disciples who received the other Comforter, and that even the Father would reveal Himself unto them. Of Christ's promise as recorded in John 14:23, Joseph Smith wrote by revelation: "The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man's heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false." The promise of eternal life, which is sealed in the heart of man by the power of the Holy Ghost, therefore carries with it the privilege of receiving the personal manifestations of the Father and the Son.

The Prophet indicated that the blessings of the second Comforter are also given in the spirit world to those who make their calling and election sure to eternal life by enduring faithful in the gospel to the end of their mortal probation. In referring to faithful saints who passed away in his day, he said: "Those who have died in the faith are now in the celestial kingdom of God." By this statement he did not mean that they were then resurrected, but that they dwelt in a state of celestial glory. He wrote in a revelation that "there are two kinds of beings in heaven," namely (1) resurrected beings having bodies of flesh and bones and (2) spirits "who are not resurrected but inherit the same glory." The latter group includes those who endure faithful in the gospel until mortal death. The corruption in the body which in mortality acts as a deterring force pushing man away from God is left behind as the spirit departs the physical tabernacle, and if the person has been faithful in his day of probation he then enters into a state of glory and is given the privilege of the second Comforter in the spirit world. Joseph Smith therefore taught that "the spirits of the just are exalted to a greater and more glorious work . . . in their departure to the world of spirits," and that there they are "enveloped in flaming fire" or glory.

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Joseph Smith therefore taught that "the spirits of the just are exalted to a greater and more glorious work . . . in their departure to the world of spirits," and that there they are "enveloped in flaming fire" or glory.

Glory is one of my favorite pondering subjects. Cool. ...or actually, hot.


HiJolly

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Many are deceived for various reasons but priestcraft is anything that is a men and not of GOD. There is but one church, one Godhead, and one gospel. If not, there is chaos. Right?

I do know that are many righteous people who are not of this church, whom do great works for this earth. But, it would be a eternal reward, if it is done under the appropriate priesthood.

Yes, there is one church and one gospel...

Mosiah 11 : 129 For behold, this is my church: whosoever that is baptized, shall be baptized unto repentance.

25 Behold I have given unto you my gospel, and this is the gospel which I have given unto you, that I came into the world to do the will of my Father, because my Father sent me;

26 And my Father sent me that I might be lifted up upon the cross; and after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, I might draw all men unto me:

27 That as I have been lifted up by men, even so should men be lifted up by the Father, to stand before me, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil;

28 And for this cause have I been lifted up; therefore, according to the power of the Father, I will draw all men unto me, that they may be judged according to their works.

29 And it shall come to pass, that whoso repenteth and is baptized in my name, shall be filled; and if he endureth to the end, behold, him will I hold guiltless before my Father, at that day when I shall stand to judge the world.

30 And he that endureth not unto the end, the same is he that is also hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence they can no more return, because of the justice of the Father: and this is the word which he hath given unto the children of men.

31 And for this cause he fulfilleth the words which he hath given, and he lieth not, but fulfilleth all his words; and no unclean thing can enter into his kingdom;

32 Therefore nothing entereth into his rest, save it be those who have washed their garments in my blood, because of their faith, and the repentance of all their sins, and their faithfulness unto the end.

33 Now this is the commandment, Repent, all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me and be baptized in my name, that ye may be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost, that ye may stand spotless before me at the last day.

34 Verily, verily I say unto you, This is my gospel; and ye know the things that ye must do in my church; for the works which ye have seen me do, that shall ye also do;
(3 Nephi 12)

[teddyk]

Originally Posted by HiJolly

Glory is one of my favorite pondering subjects. Cool. ...or actually, hot.


HiJolly

I'm assuming its a fire that don't burn or feel hot, this is a neat topic,I will pay close attention,thanks posters.

[Hemidakota]

If it powers the Sun, then I would be concern being burnt.

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by teddyk

I'm assuming its a fire that don't burn or feel hot, this is a neat topic,I will pay close attention,thanks posters.

That's what I'm saying --- it does indeed feel hot. The bush that burned for Moses was not consumed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't hot. Joseph said after his First Vision that he was amazed that the trees around him did not burst into flame. If you search, you will find more.

This is how Moses, when Satan came to him and desired Moses to worship him, could tell Satan wasn't worthy of worship. He had just previously been in the presence of God, and so he well knew the difference. Moses said to Satan, "Where is thy glory, that I should worship thee?"

Read it here-- Moses 1, and note all the clues such as "endure" "remain in the flesh" "fell to the earth" "withered and died".


HiJolly

[ErikJohnson]

Originally Posted by bytor2112

Erik.....your so arrogant and condescending. Your posts are not meant to discuss, but rather to accuse or attempt to belittle beliefs that others see as sacred and you sound like a know it all.....and Brother, reading your posts.....you don't even understand the part you think you know. You really ought to learn some manners. Were you excommunicated.....is that why your sound so bitter when you post about the church? What's the point? Just to insult?

The Bible isn't infallible and we believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

Hi bytor2112--

I've been slow to respond to your rather inflammatory post. We (my wife and I) just had a baby daughter, and so I haven't had much time for message boards. But I'd like to make crystal clear to you (and anyone else reading this) that I wasn't "excommunicated" from the Mormon Church. If you'd like to know, I became a Christian in 2005 and requested my name be "removed from the records" shortly thereafter (although it took ~ 9 months and repeated calls to Salt Lake City to get the LDS Church to acknowledge it).

I'm certainly not "bitter" about how God has worked in my life and have no idea why you read bitterness into my posts. Perhaps you can elaborate. And feel free to do so in a private message (I believe that capability exists on this forum). I'll be glad to take this up with you off-line. Indeed, if you happen to live in the greater Seattle metropolitan area, we can do this in-person—and we can do it over the beverage of your choice in the venue of your choice, on me…

--Erik

Originally Posted by ErikJohnson

I'll be glad to take this up with you off-line. Indeed, if you happen to live in the greater Seattle metropolitan area, we can do this in-person—and we can do it over the beverage of your choice in the venue of your choice, on me…

--Erik

Dear Erik and Bytor,

Sorry for the intrusion but may I suggest the Dairy O and grape slushies ???


Peace,
Ceeboo