We can become gods? - Page 14

Hemidakota · #**131** (**permalink**) 12-03-2008, 12:28 PM

So as everyone else on this planet existed as Alpha and Omega or as "I AM" [Intelligence].

Interested · #**132** (**permalink**) 12-03-2008, 03:38 PM

What support for everyone's pre-existence does the scripture support?

rameumptom · #**133** (**permalink**) 12-03-2008, 05:21 PM

There are a few, such as Jeremiah 1:6. However, most of the concept of a premortal existence comes from early Christian writings. And, of course, modern prophets like Joseph Smith.

Here is a good link from the FAIR wiki on premortal existence.

Make sure and check the internal and external links at the site, as well.

Interested · #**134** (**permalink**) 12-03-2008, 05:41 PM

I find Orthodox Christianity's answer about the blind man certainly more satisfying that a karmic one.

Traveler · #**135** (**permalink**) 12-03-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested

I find Orthodox Christianity's answer about the blind man certainly more satisfying that a karmic one.

I find Dogbert in the Dilbert comic strip interesting in the discussion of Karma. Dogbert says something like he believes in Karma. So that when he treats someone badly he is satisified that they diserved it.

The Traveler

Hemidakota · #**136** (**permalink**) 12-03-2008, 07:15 PM

If not then the Book of Abraham, Genesis, Book of Moses....and so on. A few scriptures in the OT and NT has it also.

Hemidakota · #**137** (**permalink**) 12-03-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested

I find Orthodox Christianity's answer about the blind man certainly more satisfying that a karmic one.

Perhaps! Their manmade opinion then yes but visual or firsthand witnessing it then no.

rameumptom · #**138** (**permalink**) 12-04-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Interested

I find Orthodox Christianity's answer about the blind man certainly more satisfying that a karmic one.

Would you please expound? Your statement says nothing and adds nothing to the discussion.

It is just as useless as saying, I am more satisfied with Billy Graham than with Oral Roberts.

It is a nice sentiment, but without any context is just a sentiment.

Second, are you sure that Orthodox Christianity has only one single answer concerning the blind man's circumstances?

Interested · #**139** (**permalink**) 12-04-2008, 12:37 PM

Yes, I can expound. I think its more likely the man was blinded so the people could see God having victory over evil than to think the man was blinded because billions or how many years ago he sinned in a previous life.

Edit- By the way, I do believe in pre-existence, I just don't see any scriptural evidence for it.

Hemidakota · #**140** (**permalink**) 12-04-2008, 01:15 PM

Even the Jews of that time period when Christ walked among the people of Israel, believe in the pre-exsistment and also felt born into sin and handicap was GOD punishment to that being. If not, why would they questioned him on the blindman being healed.?

However, we do know, they were valiant spirits and were allowed to be used to glorify GOD.

Not to side-tracked this thread, something that is warranted to bring into the fray here but if you look closely at the different miracles, you find some interesting tidbit on what is required to do those miracles by our Savior:

Miracles in Which Direr Physical Contact Is So Stated
1. Peter's mother-in-law healed of a fever. (Matt. 8:14-15; Mark 1:30-31; Luke 4.)
2. A leper healed. (Matt. 8:1-4.)
3. Two blind men healed. (Matt. 9:27-31.)
4. Deafness and speech impediment healed. (Mark 7:32-37.)
5. Blindness healed. (Mark 8:22-26.)
6. A demoniac child healed. (Matt. 17:14-21; Mark 9:14-29; Luke 7:1-10.)
7. Woman healed of issue of blood. (Compare Matt. 9:20-22; Mark 5:25-34; Luke 8:4548.)
8. Jairus's daughter raised. (Matt. 9:18-25; Mark 5:38-42; Luke 8:35-42.)
9. Walking on the sea. (Matt. 14:25-33; Mark 6:47-51; John 6:16-21.)
10. Healing of man born blind. (John 9:1-7.)
11. Healing of woman with infirmity of 18 yearn (Luke 13:10-13.)
12. Blind man healed. (Matt. 9:27-31; 20:29)
13. Feeding five thousand. (Matt. 14:14-21; Mark 6:33-44; Luke 9:11-17; John 6:1-14.)
14. Feeding four thousand. (Matt. 15:29-38; Mark 8:1-9.)
15. Malchus's ear healed. (Luke 22:50-51.) See also Mark 3:9-10

Miracles in Which Direct Physical Contact Is Possible but Is not Expressly So Stated
1. Water into wine. (John 2:1-11.)
2. Passing unseen through a crowd. (Luke 4:28-30. See also John 8:59.)
3. Draught of fishes. (Luke 5:1-11.)
4. An unclean spirit cast out. (Mark 1:21-28; Luke 4:31-37.)
5. Palsy healed. (Matt. 9:2-8.)
6. Healing at pool of Bethesda. (John 5:1-9.)
7. Withered hand healed. (Luke 6:6-11.)
8. One blind and dumb healed. (Matt. 12:22-23.)
9. Restoring life to widow's son at Nain. (Luke 7:11-17.)
10. Casting devils out of Gadarene demoniac. (Matt. 8:28-34; Mark 5:1-20; Luke 8:6-29.)
11. Casting out a devil. (Luke 11:14.)
12. Man with dropsy healed. (Luke 14:1-6.)
13. Lazarus raised from the dead. (John 11:43-44.)
14. Ten lepers healed. (Luke 17:11-19.)
15. Blind Bartimaeus healed. (Mark 10:46-52; Luke 18:35-43.)
16. Withering curse on the fig true. (MAR. 21:18-19; Mark 11:12-14, 20.) See also Matt. 8:16; Mark 1:32-34

Miracles at a Distance Precluding Jesus' Physical Contact
1. Greek woman's daughter healed. (Matt. 15:22-28; Mark 7:25-30.)
2. Money in fish's mouth. (Matt. 17:24-27.)
3. Great haul of fishes. (John 21:1-8.)
4. Calming the storm (Matt. 8:23-27; Mark 4:3-41; Luke 8:22-25.)
5. Healing the Nobleman's son. (John 4:46-54.)
6. Healing centurion's servant of palsy. (Matt. 8:5-13; Luke 9:37-43.)