We can become gods?

[MrNirom]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

I am sure; we will come to understanding in our days the true meaning behind this title: JESUS CHRIST. I am not referring too our elder brother, Jehovah [not to take away from Him is stand at our head]; the importunacy of this name may give us a greater understanding whom that all us look forward too in our eternal progression. I do believe it goes beyond this earth and our FATHER’s dominion.

Is that name not used by those who take on the Savior roll? Was not our Father in Heaven called the same?

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth• the Father• do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

[Islander]

Originally Posted by Tytto_19

Islander, yes, I am angry. You know why? Because I was lied to. I believe missionaries should be honest. I feel like I was tricked into being baptized.

I don't know what I believe in. Sometimes it seems like a good idea to just go back to LDS church and pretend nothing was ever wrong. But I can't live in a lie, pretend to believe something I don't. It would be great if I could just believe, but that's not who I am.

And for the record, I did ask God. I did feel like the church was true, I truly did. But I've learned that feelings can lead you wrong. Heart is deceitful. Ask the muslims, ask the jews, ask pagans. They ALL feel that their religion is true.

Still, if you feel that LDS is the right religion for you, than go ahead. I believe in freedom of religion.

I am trying to understand where the misunderstanding occurred. We do not worship multiple Gods. As I stated previously, we worship God, The Father in the name of Jesus Christ, who is the Son and also God. The word "God" in the New Testament is NOT A NAME but an adjective. It describes "Him to whom we pray or invoke His name, Him whom we worship that is Almighty.The invoked One"

Tyto, there is God The Father, Jesus Christ, The Son and The Holy Ghost. And the Holy Ghost does not lie not can he deceive for he is a messenger from the presence of God. God does not deceive and cannot lie for He would stop being God. The revelation that the Church is true is not an imagination of your heart. A witness of God's truth by the Spirit is as real as daylight. If you want to deny that in favor of your own man-made concept of what God is and is not you are free to go ahead. Again, I hear your animosity but I do not see your desire to try to understand the doctrine.

If at the end, sadly, you decide your own ideas are more accurate and relevant than God's own word and Church you can retract your membership from the Church. You can ask for your name to be taken out of the records and your tithing returned. It will be done within one month.

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

I was looking at it as passing a title from a GOD or FATHER, to HIS first born son, acting in that role as a Savior for humanity. A given example, using the term’ President' for America as a title, it is given to the next elected official as he/she assumes the role. This only leaves me believe, there is a one who resides above our FATHER's dominion that may hold this as HIS true name that even evil fears most. If you notice, we do not cast out evil spirits in the name of Jehovah but in Jesus Christ.

I do expect it is the same, no matter what other earth in other galaxies, we will find the title - JESUS CHRIST - as their Savior.

From grace to grace.. and from exaltation to exaltation.. we'll find our way while working out our salvation with fear and trembling. Like [all] Gods have done before us. The titles God and Christ are easier looked at as priesthood offices IMO.

The thing about circles.. is that they do not have beginnings nor ends. We're in for a long trip I think.

Originally Posted by Tytto_19

Ok everyones here trying to convince me to believe that there can be multiple gods. Doesn't anyone find it even a little strange, that my missionaries denied this belief, and only after I had been baptised and paid some of my tiths told me the truth? Does this happen often? As some people refer to it "giving milk before meat".

In all honesty.. I had to bring it up to my missionaries. I have no problem with henotheism personally.. never have. It's in my signature.. but consider this quote 'Even when we believe the Scriptures are "without error," it's a risk to think our understanding is without error.'

What does it change? In the scheme of things it's an elegant concept and is the very essence of our existence IMHO.

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by MrNirom

Is that name not used by those who take on the Savior roll? Was not our Father in Heaven called the same?

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth• the Father• do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Correct. It is honorary title of something that is far greater than we can imagine. I know it sounds hearsay but well worth our mortal trials in wearing out our bodies, and not forgetting, giving up our sins to be with the FATHER and HIS Son, Celestial glory.

[rameumptom]

Tyto,

I think the issue would be something to be angry with IF we worshiped a litany of gods. We do not. No one has ever asked you to worship anyone but God the Father through Christ. They are the only Gods we have to worry about. Ever.

The concept of there being various gods in the heavens, is an ancient teaching. But as mentioned before, we take milk before meat.

The issue isn't whether there are many gods, of whom you do not have to worry yourself about, but whether Joseph Smith was called as a prophet of God. If that is the case, then the later teachings, though shocking in some ways, should be a continuation of your learning. We baptized people because they wish to follow Christ and worship the Father, not because they have received a PhD in doctrine.

When I joined at 16 years of age, I didn't know this, either. I joined because the Spirit witnessed to me of the truth of the gospel. Later, when new concepts were taught to me, I learned to accept them, because the foundation was established firmly by personal revelation.

No one "lied" to you. They taught you the principle important issues. We do not worship but one God, the Father, and his Son, Jesus Christ. It is therefore immaterial about other gods that may or may not dwell in the heavens with them.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by rameumptom

Tyto,

I think the issue would be something to be angry with IF we worshiped a litany of gods. We do not. No one has ever asked you to worship anyone but God the Father through Christ. They are the only Gods we have to worry about. Ever.

The concept of there being various gods in the heavens, is an ancient teaching. But as mentioned before, we take milk before meat.

The issue isn't whether there are many gods, of whom you do not have to worry yourself about, but whether Joseph Smith was called as a prophet of God. If that is the case, then the later teachings, though shocking in some ways, should be a continuation of your learning. We baptized people because they wish to follow Christ and worship the Father, not because they have received a PhD in doctrine.

When I joined at 16 years of age, I didn't know this, either. I joined because the Spirit witnessed to me of the truth of the gospel. Later, when new concepts were taught to me, I learned to accept them, because the foundation was established firmly by personal revelation.

No one "lied" to you. They taught you the principle important issues. We do not worship but one God, the Father, and his Son, Jesus Christ. It is therefore immaterial about other gods that may or may not dwell in the heavens with them.

Apparently the teaching came up during his discussions and the missionaries denied it. That is a lie, no matter how you look at it.

[Hemidakota]

Kris. I would not venture and call it a lie when many of our children do not have this knowledge but teach what is given and there own testimony on what they do know. I would call it ignorance.

Even with Judaism, when you compare some of the writings of Abraham visiting the temple in 9th AB, it talks about Abraham taking GOD's hand. This is no different than Joseph Smith's king follett sermon of explaining the cororeality of God. Would you call the local Rabbi a liar when he declares that God has no human form? Ignorance would be a better term here.

"The holy one blessed be he took him by the hands and walked him back and forth." Lamentations Rabbah 35:1:1

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Kris. I would not venture and call it a lie when many of our children do not have this knowledge but teach what is given and there own testimony on what they do know. I would call it ignorance.

Even with Judaism, when you compare some of the writings of Abraham visiting the temple in 9th AB, it talks about Abraham taking GOD's hand. This is no different than Joseph Smith's king follett sermon of explaining the cororeality of God. Would you the local Rabbi he was liar when he declares that God has no human form? Ignorance would be a better term here.

When you are an adult and making such an important decision like changing churches, and you specifically ask a question and are given a misleading answer... it is a lie. Do you not have enough faith in the investigators to give them all the information when they ask?

[Hemidakota]

"Do you know what GOD looks like? Well? Tell me....I am investigating here."

See my point?

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

"Do you know what GOD looks like? Well? Tell me....I am investigating here."

See my point?

That is completely different, and you know it.

I can't believe I'm having this conversation. Unreal.