We can become gods?

[Interested]

Elohim... yes.
The plural name for God. But that can still be a Trinatarian teaching. One Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient God can be Elohim, and be the plural meaning for the word and still be one God.

Omnipresent REALLY being an important word

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Interested

Elohim... yes.
The plural name for God. But that can still be a Trinatarian teaching. One Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient God can be Elohim, and be the plural meaning for the word and still be one God.

Omnipresent REALLY being an important word

Interesting that not one word you have used to describe G-d was ever used by an ancient prophet called by G-d to teach the covenant followers of G-d. I assume that you believe the Bible scriptures are woefully inadequate for teaching mankind about such things as G-d?

The Traveler

[Interested]

"If I descend into the depths of Hell you are there." Is written in the Old Testament. The same passage mentions that God is everywhere, in so many words.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Interested

"If I descend into the depths of Hell you are there." Is written in the Old Testament. The same passage mentions that God is everywhere, in so many words.

Dear Friend: It is easy to interpret scripture to what we want to understand - in the days of Jesus the Christ this was done by the Pharisees and Scribes. If you wish to rely on scripture why not quote the scripture? But there is even more – for example can you give me one example of anyone involved in the ancient scriptures that would spell out completely any term that referenced G-d?

I am interested in why some will add their thoughts to scripture “in so many words”. Does this mean that you disagree with the modern translations of biblical scripture?

I would also point out that being able to go anywhere anytime and being able to influence anyone anywhere is different than actually being everywhere at once. Following the resurrection of Jesus he came and left his apostles and others that testified of the truth of his resurrection. We are also told that someday he will return. He cannot return if he is always still here.

The Traveler

[Interested]

If
you wish to rely on scripture why not quote the scripture? But there is even
more – for example can you give me one example of anyone involved in the ancient
scriptures that would spell out completely any term that referenced G-d?

Simple. I can see from my repetitive lack of action in reading the scriptures that you have a point to where it would seem that I am being lazy and just putting my own spin on things. But I have to rhetorically respond Socratically.

Why do you think that just because I may not be using the proper method of debate that I am necessarily incorrect?

He cannot return if he is always still here.

Yes, he can. As contradictory as it sounds there is an Earthly explanation for his return. And it is, that Jesus'es ressurected body is in Heaven, and his physical body, known as Joshua, will return to the planet's stratosphere.(Or so I have come to understand it.) His spirit, has always been God.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Interested

Simple. I can see from my repetitive lack of action in reading the scriptures that you have a point to where it would seem that I am being lazy and just putting my own spin on things. But I have to rhetorically respond Socratically.

Why do you think that just because I may not be using the proper method of debate that I am necessarily incorrect?



Yes, he can. As contradictory as it sounds there is an Earthly explanation for his return. And it is, that Jesus'es ressurected body is in Heaven, and his physical body, known as Joshua, will return to the planet's stratosphere.(Or so I have come to understand it.) His spirit, has always been God.

Thanks for your response - we may not differ as much as it sometimes appears. Often in religious discussions I find I do not differ as much thinking as that viewpoints and definitions may vary.

When trying to find common ground I personally prefer to focus on terms, attitudes and phrases used in ancient scripture.

So to clarify – do you consider someone to be in the presents of G-d while they are conversing with an angel sent by him? Also do you consider someone to be in the presents of their spouse while they may be physically apart but remembering their love for each other?

The Traveler

[Interested]

So to clarify – do you consider someone to be in the presents of G-d while they are conversing with an angel sent by him? Also do you consider someone to be in the presents of their spouse while they may be physically apart but remembering their love for each other?

Only in specific cases. Michael the Archangel, the Angel of the Lord is always in the presence of the Lord, so where he is, God is. And yes, spiritually, I believe that a man is with his wife while they are seperated, but that is just an opinion of mine.

[rameumptom]

Originally Posted by Interested

Yes, he can. As contradictory as it sounds there is an Earthly explanation for his return. And it is, that Jesus'es ressurected body is in Heaven, and his physical body, known as Joshua, will return to the planet's stratosphere.(Or so I have come to understand it.) His spirit, has always been God.

Wow, you are going to use Gnostic teachings to support your concept? Incredible!

How does this contradict the Trinity? In all ways, as there is only one God with three personas. The Council of Chalcedon would totally be shocked at this concept of yours!

Addendum: This also contradicts the apostle John's epistles. Didn't he say that those who claim Jesus was not resurrected with a physical body are anti-Christ? How do you tie a separate Joshua/physical body and a Christ/Trinity with being one resurrected being as John requires?

[Interested]

This is not Gnostic Teachings. This is the truth. When Jesus ascended into Heaven, what do you think happened to his body? Do you think it burned in the atmosphere?

Edit- Joshua = Yeshua
They aren't seperate beings.

[rameumptom]

No, he retained it as part of his person. Jesus is complete as spirit/physical entity. He does not just keep the body like a business suit in a heavenly closet, awaiting his return in glory. It is part of his being. He is not just a spirit, otherwise, the resurrection of Christ becomes meaningless, and Luke 24 becomes a lie, where he tells his disciples to touch his hands and feet, because a spirit does not have flesh and bone as he had.

Unless I misunderstood your statement,

Yes, he can. As contradictory as it sounds there is an Earthly explanation for his return. And it is, that Jesus'es ressurected body is in Heaven, and his physical body, known as Joshua, will return to the planet's stratosphere.(Or so I have come to understand it.) His spirit, has always been God.

This seems to mean that the body of Christ is separate from his spirit. That is a Gnostic view, in that Jesus and Christ were/are two separate beings: One Jesus/Yeshua/Joshua, and the other Christ/Messiah. The Christ was the divine being who entered into the mortal Jesus at baptism (Father states, "today I have begotten thee"), and later left him alone on the cross ("My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"). His reward was to be the first human resurrected.

So, unless I misunderstood your wording above, this is how I read it.