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Islander · #61 (**permalink**) 11-17-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested

Hm.... I hear that Mormons do not believe in the Trinitarian doctrine. If they do not, then why identify themselves as Christian even if they share the same Judaic Christian doctrines otherwise?

I mention this in this thread because it ties in with the Godhead I mentioned to a Mormon friend of mine. Why? Yes... I can understand that Mormons accept Jesus, but I do not understand if they accept Jesus in the same fashion as Evangelicals.

Hello Interested:

I suggest you spend a while reading around the forum. There are hundreds of threads dealing with this issue since just about every one that comes to the site that is not a member of the LDS Church has very similar questions. Just look around.

jo1952 · #62 (**permalink**) 11-18-2008, 01:45 AM

Hi Interested:

I was raised as a Lutheran. When I was 13 taking my Confirmation class, the first test we were given was "What is a Christian". Surprisingly, out of a class of 33 I was the only one who got the correct answer, according to my Pastor. My answer was "someone who believes in Christ". That was back in 1965 (please do NOT do the math....). When I was 21 I joined a multi-denominational singing group which performed a musical to various church congregations in So. California. Our message was to come to Christ. That was my first real contact with "Mormons" as there were several in the group, along with Catholics, Lutherans, Episcopaleans, etc. We all got along very well and there was no doubt in our minds we were all Christians because we all believed in the same Christ. That was in 1973. In 1974 I converted to the LDS Church. Over the years the definition of Christian changed. I am no longer considered a Christian by most other Christian religions not only because of the Trinitarian doctrine; but also because many of the denominations believe I do not believe in the same Christ they believe in. I still believe in the same Christ I always did.....it is the world that has changed their criteria. I hope this helps. It is what I experienced first hand. Even the Trinitarians admit their concept of the Godhead is the same among the various denominations, and though it is described in only a few words, it is very complex in establishing their support of the conclusion they have reached.

LDS believe in Heavenly Father, His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. They are one in purpose; but are separate.

a-train · #63 (**permalink**) 11-18-2008, 07:32 AM

So God is Almighty and omnipotent, and He can create anything ex nihilo, but He can't create other gods?

If we don't believe that God can create a planet and put a man thereon and give him all dominion over it, then we don't believe the Bible (Gen 1:26).

Isaiah quoted God saying: "before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." (Isaiah 43:10) But what about DURING Gods existence? Certainly no God was formed before Him, because He is Eternal and thus no creation has pre-dated Him. Certainly no God can be created after Him because He is Eternal and thus nothing will post-date Him. Thus ALL creation is formed contemporary with God.

Furthermore, who was it that said: "before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me"? The clue is in the next verse, for He continued saying: "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Who said it? JESUS OF NAZARETH, the SAVIOUR.

Now if we account the formation of the infant body in the womb of the Virgin Mother of our LORD as the formation of this Being who spoke to Isaiah, then we have committed a serious error. For Indeed the Saviour Jesus is the Great Jehovah which spoke to Isaiah and whose hand created this earth and placed our first parents thereon. He is Eternal and before Him there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Him.

And yet, He was born of the Virgin. Just as he said: "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." (John 6:51)

LDS theology poses no opposition to this notion. This IS LDS theology.

-a-train

bytor2112 · #64 (**permalink**) 11-18-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Interested

Hm.... I hear that Mormons do not believe in the Trinitarian doctrine. If they do not, then why identify themselves as Christian even if they share the same Judaic Christian doctrines otherwise?

I mention this in this thread because it ties in with the Godhead I mentioned to a Mormon friend of mine. Why? Yes... I can understand that Mormons accept Jesus, but I do not understand if they accept Jesus in the same fashion as Evangelicals.

The same fashion in that..... we believe that he is the only begotten son of God and drank from the Father's bitter cup and at Gethsemenee and at Golgotha paid the price for the sins of mankind on conditions of repentance. Because Joseph Smith saw God the Father and Jesus Christ, we have a better understanding of the Godhead. Namely that the Godhead consists of God the Father.....an exalted personage of flesh and bone....Jesus Christ, the only begotten son.....an exalted personage of flesh and bone and the Holy Ghost..... an exalted personage of Spirit and they are one God.......one in purpose......not one in substance.

Interested · #65 (**permalink**) 11-18-2008, 10:15 AM

This might bother me if I didn't believe the written word of God as being God inspired and all we really need, but since I do, I must point out Jesus said if someone says that they have seen him, then those who have heard the speaker talk about Jesus returning must not believe it.

bytor2112 · #66 (**permalink**) 11-18-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Interested

This might bother me if I didn't believe the written word of God as being God inspired and all we really need, but since I do, I must point out Jesus said if someone says that they have seen him, then those who have heard the speaker talk about Jesus returning must not believe it.

We also believe the written word of God to be inspired....but not limited to the Bible. We believe that God still comunicates with his children. We have a living Prophet on the earth today and have since Joseph Smith opened the last and final gospel dispensation.