The Trinity Questions – For Traditional Christians - Page 4

candyprpl · #31 (**permalink**) 10-10-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Misshalfway

I don't think I can argue that there are things that we can't understand. But I don't think either, that it is beyond God's capability to help us understand or bring things to our understanding in simple clarity. In fact, I think he is absolutely eager to tell us and show us who he really is and to help us understand.

Well it may sound like we are saying two different things, so I'm going to clarify right now my point of view.

I agree that God can and does help us to understand -- what we are ready to understand. Just like Jesus' teaching in parables was for those who would hear and understand. I don't think all of us are prepared in this lifetime to know all, but we should keep trying to find the answers.

Did I make sense?

Misshalfway · #32 (**permalink**) 10-10-2008, 01:23 PM

Yes. My dear. You did make perfect sense. And I agree.

may not be prepared.....but we should all keep trying. yes.

#33 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 09:48 AM

For an exercise in scholarship, study the scriptures and write your own creed. Then you can compare with the historic creeds and see where they differ.

I think that mentally, we all have a creed in mind of our own making. Might as well put it on paper.

abqfriend · #34 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 11:51 AM

Hi-Whatever "creed" we come out with-is indeed "our own making" For me, Sacred Tradition is important and for a member of the LDS Church The Book of Mormon and D&C would be important.

Do we limit-in both cases-scripture to the Old and New Testament?
In any case-such a "creed" or "articles of faith" would indeed be our own making,
Both religious traditions believe that the Holy Spirit/The Heavenly Father and/or prophesy or sacred tradition is active within their religious community of faith.

I often thought if you one could take just the OT and NT-and take it to a culture who never heard of any religion-to have them read the OT and NT--wth no prompting-and see what they come up with.-probably impossible to do-but would be interesting.

Each of us comes to our religious tradition/faith with a particular bias/teaching of our faith based on our past and present experiences with it and other faith traditions we may have been exposed to.

-Carol

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Originally Posted by knightinshiningarmour

For an exercise in scholarship, study the scriptures and write your own creed. Then you can compare with the historic creeds and see where they differ.

I think that mentally, we all have a creed in mind of our own making. Might as well put it on paper.

brother01 · #35 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 10:04 PM

1) Are the persons of the Trinity capable of expressing emotion to each other? (ie can they love each other)

What does the trinity doctrine have to do with being a disciple of Jesus or faithful to Him or obedience to what He commanded? If God is One, why do some try to take a spiritual scalpel and dissect God somehow? Jesus said those who had seen Him had seen the Father. Jesus said His Father was greater than Him. Jesus said as we abide in Him and His word that we are one with Him as He is one with the Father...didn't He? (John 17) Jesus said that it was better for us that we have the presence of the Holy Spirit in us than it was for Him to be bodily with us on earth. Yet the Spirit is spoken of as the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ and many other things. Why do some feel the need to define things instead of just abide in them? Jesus said we have to will to do whatsoever He said, and excuse me, but Jesus didn't say 'believe the trinity doctrine or go to hell', but rather, 'Ye believe in God, believe also in Me."

2) Are they capable of communicating with each other?

This sounds like a non question to me. What's the point?

3) Can they be in differing spatial locations? (ie differing places, the Father was not crucified with the Son)

Jesus went to heaven to prepare a place for those who are His and to be our High Priest, the Spirit is our Comforter and surity of God's ownership and presence. Jesus also said whereever two or more are gathered in His name that He is there with them. Seems that would be in Spirit.

4) Will Jesus maintain his resurrected body in heaven?

The revelation of Jesus Christ shows Him quite different than on the cross; more like what He was at the transfiguration event/vision.

5) Is holding to the historic creeds…

Can any historic creed compare to the pure teachings of Jesus? None that I've seen:-)

a. essential for salvation
b. good for spiritual health but not an absolute requirement
c. not important
d. other…Please specify

"D" Jesus said we will be judged by His words, the very doctrine of God He taught, as well as the truth of God taught in the Holy Scriptures. Jesus said these things were both imperrishable, so they need not restoration, but to know what has been revealed and forgotten - but certainly not 'lost' to need to be 'restored'.

One Disciple to Another

brother01 · #36 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by knightinshiningarmour

For an exercise in scholarship, study the scriptures and write your own creed. Then you can compare with the historic creeds and see where they differ.

I think that mentally, we all have a creed in mind of our own making. Might as well put it on paper.

My creed?

Observe everything that Jesus taught. If He is my Lord I will to do whatsoever He said and grow in my knowledge and faithfulness to those things.

ceeboo · #37 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brother01

My creed?

Observe everything that Jesus taught. If He is my Lord I will to do whatsoever He said and grow in my knowledge and faithfulness to those things.

Hello brother,

Can I suggest a conversion to Catholic

Peace,
Carl

brother01 · #38 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 11:12 PM

Do you have a thread to recommend?

abqfriend · #39 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 11:18 PM

I do not think Internet conversion would work.
I would ask that you contact a priest of your nearest Catholic Church and he can direct you further.
Thank You for your interest in the Catholic faith.
-Carol

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Originally Posted by brother01

Do you have a thread to recommend?

brother01 · #40 (**permalink**) 10-12-2008, 09:51 AM

So why the Catholic comment? I've been to an RCC and had several deep conversations with them over the years. I respect the knowledge of some basics of the doctrine of Jesus Christ, but there are some big issues with RCC history and even bigger issues with doctrines that have been added that are not the doctrine Jesus gave from the Father such as their veneration of Mary, and switching certain things out from paganism and calling them Christian. Jesus wrote to the Church at Pergamos as a compromising Church and spoke about their idolatry and immorality. Most things in the Revelation of Jesus Christ are signified and I take that in such a way that those who add to or take away from what God has declared to be both immoral and practicing idolatry. Their having some statues is a minor issue in comparison to having slurred the very doctrine of Jesus Christ that God gave Him charge to speak and preach and reveal. So how many Churches are guilty of not repenting and turning to God with their whole heart and seeking to observe whatsoever Jesus taught during the first century?

Just an added bonus thought, but do we really have the concept of prophecy that the Jewish mind of the old times had? Their concept was that it not only had to be true and according to what God had already given, but that it also had to fit the patterns given... like Abraham and Isaac and the sacrifice to God and Jesus on the cross or the ancient betrothal period and marriage feast to the Church being the bride of Christ that He will return suddenly for and she is to be ready for His coming.. The patterns abound, and these are but two. You might want to see if the added revelations of LDS fit the patterns given by God.