"The Jessops: And FLDS Family in Pictures"

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by FunkyTown

Hahah. Yes. That is some serious 80s hair there.

On the other hand, I was impressed with the way the patriarch of the family handled questions. When asked how many wives and children he had, he didn't answer. This is important because, while some would claim this was avoidance of the question, this was the only way he could concentrate on what he wanted us to know: That this isn't a monstrous institution.

It's not exactly hard-hitting journalism, but whatever. It highlights the whole "Live and let live" idea that I have.

Ok, I took you off ignore to see this post. Wasn't too bad, we'll see how long it lasts...

Haven't these people experienced enough "hard hitting journalism" by the likes of Nancy Grace?

It's nice to see a story that treats them like human beings.

[FunkyTown]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

Ok, I took you off ignore to see this post. Wasn't too bad, we'll see how long it lasts...

Hahah. My guess is only as long as it takes for another political thread to pop up.

[john doe]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I think they do use copious amounts of hairspray. There is a couple pictures of one of the mothers fixing a girls hair and the hairspray bottle is being used.

So, is there a large hole in the ozone layer directly above Short Creek? Wait till the environmentalists see that!

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by john doe

So, is there a large hole in the ozone layer directly above Short Creek? Wait till the environmentalists see that!

If you see a mushroom cloud you know somebody lit a match.

[RachelleDrew]

Originally Posted by hordak

How many times was Joseph Smith in Jail?

Good point, but i'd say Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs are in a far different category from one another.

I guess my problem with those who practice polygamy is not the actual practice, for if it were legal I wouldn't have a problem with it. I understand they aren't TECHNICALLY breaking any laws, but that doesn't make it any less obnoxious. I have a problem with people who try and find loopholes in the law to serve their own purpose.

I know not every person in the FLDS beats their wives and fears societal norms, my problem is with people who are abusing the system to serve their needs.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by RachelleDrew

Good point, but i'd say Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs are in a far different category from one another.

I guess my problem with those who practice polygamy is not the actual practice, for if it were legal I wouldn't have a problem with it. I understand they aren't TECHNICALLY breaking any laws, but that doesn't make it any less obnoxious. I have a problem with people who try and find loopholes in the law to serve their own purpose.

I know not every person in the FLDS beats their wives and fears societal norms, my problem is with people who are abusing the system to serve their needs.

Fine Rachelle, lets compare...

*Warren is accused of arranging marriages and marrying teenage girls
*Joseph, according to your own historical accounts, married and arranged the marriage of teenage girls.

*For many years the LDS broke the law in their practice of polygamy because the believed it was a divine commandment from heaven.
*The FLDS break the law in this regard because they believe it is a divine commandment from heaven.

The "It's fine when we do it, but really bad when others do it." attitude doesn't fly with me.

[Traveler]

I suggest that if someone is interested in the FLDS that they talk to someone that is FLDS. I believe it is most unwise to convers on subjects we do not understand or have a reasonable background.

I would hope that as we speak of religious things we ought to begin with a clear statement of our own beliefs rather than muddled statements on the beliefs of others that we have no first hand knowledge or understanding.

The Traveler

[Kirajo]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

You do realize there are approx. 10 thousand people in their church, and each individuals experience is different, right?

There are LDS bishops in jail for molestation, does that make the whole church bad?

She actually made it very clear in her book that not every woman felt the way she did and that her situation was particularly unique.

[Book_of_Mormon_Warrior]

Psalm 127

3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.

5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

[Faded]

Originally Posted by RachelleDrew

Good point, but i'd say Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs are in a far different category from one another.

I guess my problem with those who practice polygamy is not the actual practice, for if it were legal I wouldn't have a problem with it. I understand they aren't TECHNICALLY breaking any laws, but that doesn't make it any less obnoxious. I have a problem with people who try and find loopholes in the law to serve their own purpose.

I know not every person in the FLDS beats their wives and fears societal norms, my problem is with people who are abusing the system to serve their needs.

Well, technically they are breaking the laws because the anti-polygamy/anti-bigamy laws are still on the books. They fall into the category of "laws that nobody bothers to enforce." Most of those laws were a product of the Anti-Polygamy Crusade that was waged against our own Church. When Joseph Smith and Brigham Young enacted polygamy, there were no laws prohibiting it, so the US government had to create some.

The frustrating thing about the FLDS is two-fold.
1.) We used to practice the same thing -- polygamy. Our version of polygamy is ancient history, but we are still forced to reconcile ourselves to polygamy as an eternal principal. It is something that God has asked his chosen people to live in times past, going back at least as far as Abraham - not as the rule, but as the rare exception to the rule of monogamy. Their practice of polygamy is very different of course. The main trouble they have is:

Originally Posted by Doctrine and Covenants 58

32 I command and men obey not; I revoke and they receive not the blessing.
33 Then they say in their hearts: This is not the work of the Lord, for his promises are not fulfilled. But wo unto such, for their reward lurketh beneath, and not from above.

The Lord said, "No more polygamy." and they said, "Blasphemy! False prophet! We're going to keep doing it anyways!" I doubt that the practice involves less than 5% of their men, so they certainly changed it to suit themselves, and I'm well aware that my saying so is only scratching the surface in terms of differences.
2.) There are a TON of people that are absolutely certain that FLDS are LDS. "Ah ha! So those Mormons still have seven wives! Those two missionaries I asked about it were lying!" It's extremely frustrating having them hanging around anywhere near Utah and ruining the reputation of the REAL Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The news reports always contain a blurb saying, "this group is not affiliated with ..." but it's brief and most viewers/readers don't catch it or don't understand it. So they think it's us.