Question to non LDS

Maya · #1 (**permalink**) 07-30-2009, 04:12 PM

I would like to know how you define the word saved, beeing saved??
What does it mean to you to be saved.. from what and to what and why??

Galatians220 · #2 (**permalink**) 07-30-2009, 04:54 PM

Hi Maya, nice to see you again

Personally, I believe that the word, saved, means deliverance, or spared of something. I looked up the word in greek, the word Saved is "Sozo" The following is from Blue Letter Bible - Home Page (1)

1) to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction

a) one (from injury or peril)

1) to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health

1) to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue

b) to save in the technical biblical sense

1) negatively

a) to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment

b) to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance

In terms of Salvation, from what I see in Scripture, when one is saved, one is delivered from the ultimate penalty of Sin which is Eternal Damnation because for one, Jesus made a Promise... that if we believe, we have Eternal Life and so will never be numbered with the Unbelieving:

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. - John 5:24

1. Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Maya · #3 (**permalink**) 07-30-2009, 05:26 PM

My time to say good night... I hope I have many good answers tomorrow here... Yes what you write Galatians is so beautiful and so true!

deblldo · #4 (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 10:19 AM

Hi,

To be saved from death/sin. As a baptist i have been taught that once you realise you need a saviour to be saved from death, then you accept Jesus christ as the one who came to set us free. At this moment we are sealed with His holy spirit and we are sealed until the resurrection and jesus gives those saved eternal life.
hope this helps,
deb

prisonchaplain · #5 (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 12:10 PM

Deb's answer is closer to the a doctrine in the Reform tradition called "the perserverance of the saints." The teaching is that God chooses who will be saved, and since they are chosen, they will not fail.

In contrast, I believe being saved means I don't have to go to hell and I get to spend eternity with Jesus Christ my Lord (and by implication, with the Father and Holy Ghost as well). BTW, my eternity begins the moment of my salvation. God resides with me now. Further, in the pentecostal tradition, we believe salvation is not only spiritual. It is physical and emotional. I can pray and believe God for healing. Further, I can live in peace, or emotional soundness. More in line with the LDS doctrine of agency then, I do see the possiblity of losing my salvation, if I neglect it chronically, and shut my ears to the Spirit. On the other hand, such a course would be difficult, since God chases after us.

dazed-and-confused · #6 (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 01:16 PM

[ More in line with the LDS doctrine of agency then, I do see the possiblity of losing my salvation, if I neglect it chronically, and shut my ears to the Spirit. On the other hand, such a course would be difficult, since God chases after us.[/QUOTE]

LOL....right you are PC. HF does chase after us, as I can attest to from MANY personal experiences.

What's the old saying?....patience of a saint?........

Well....we ARE talking about GOD, afterall.

Sometimes when i hear some people talking about being saved, i wonder if they know what it REALLY means. And that is when i thank the Spirit for the whisper, it's not my place. That is between them and HF and has little, if anything, to do with me.

I've never liked the whole "we're right and you're wrong" stuff, so when i find myself having those kinds of feelings/thoughts, i try to put them in check real fast. I am where i am because this is where i feel i've been led.....and it feels like home. I'm sure that others feel that as well in their own churches....at least, i hope they do. I do believe that it is a perfect world.

Galatians220 · #7 (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by prisonchaplain

Deb's answer is closer to the a doctrine in the Reform tradition called "the perserverance of the saints." The teaching is that God chooses who will be saved, and since they are chosen, they will not fail.

In contrast, I believe being saved means I don't have to go to hell and I get to spend eternity with Jesus Christ my Lord (and by implication, with the Father and Holy Ghost as well). BTW, my eternity begins the moment of my salvation. God resides with me now. Further, in the pentecostal tradition, we believe salvation is not only spiritual. It is physical and emotional. I can pray and believe God for healing. Further, I can live in peace, or emotional soundness. More in line with the LDS doctrine of agency then, I do see the possiblity of losing my salvation, if I neglect it chronically, and shut my ears to the Spirit. On the other hand, such a course would be difficult, since God chases after us.

I'm in full agreement there Brother

fatima · #8 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 07:18 PM

To my personal faith, no doubt shaped by my fervent love of my Catholic faith, to be "saved" is to be spared the just punishment due to us from the sins we commit. We must freely choose to co-operate with the grace of Almighty God, though. At any time we may reject Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Maya · #9 (**permalink**) 08-03-2009, 03:18 AM

So in many ways we all believe the same about "beeing saved". It beeing a hope for forgiveness and eternal life.
However there is a couple of things I wonder. Please give reasons to your answer.
Who will be saved?
Only those that belong to your church?
Do also those who never hear about Christ have a possibility to be saved?
How about those that have got some parts of the gospel "wrong" like not believing in trinity or islamites what about christians, hindues, buddhists?
What about small children who die without beeing babtized?
What about those that die without beeing babtized as their parents wont allow them?

fatima · #10 (**permalink**) 08-03-2009, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Maya

So in many ways we all believe the same about "beeing saved". It beeing a hope for forgiveness and eternal life.
However there is a couple of things I wonder. Please give reasons to your answer.
Who will be saved?
Only those that belong to your church?
Do also those who never hear about Christ have a possibility to be saved?
How about those that have got some parts of the gospel "wrong" like not believing in trinity or islamites what about christians, hindues, buddhists?
What about small children who die without beeing babtized?
What about those that die without beeing babtized as their parents wont allow them?

I cannot be the judge of who will be saved and who will not. What I can tell you (although I do not have time to look up the passages) is that as far as my Catholic faith teaches, all those who seek Truth will be saved. Naturally, God knows our innermost thoughts, desires, etc. We cannot fool him, so if we do not know Truth because we choose to not know Truth then we are culpable for our ignorance. If our view on Truth is skewed because we have been wrongly taught, or if we've been abused (again, in the case of Catholicism, those who have been abused by a priest) by clergy, parents or other "teacher" of that Truth, our responsibility would be diminished.
As for infant Baptism, I can only trust in God's Mercy. I do believe, as the Catholic Church teaches, that there is "baptism of desire", so that these precious ones do, indeed, see the face of God. We cannot overlook the theological Truth that every man, woman and child needs the Savior and His Sacrifice to enter Heaven. That begs the question, "what do they need to be saved from?" Another topic, I suppose.