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where does it say they were taken from the people because of wickedness?
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I was just thinking that the portrayal of Mary Magdalen as a prostitute, rather than one of the Beloved, was probably an act of apostasy.
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where does it say they were taken from the people because of wickedness?
10 And there are none that do know the true God save it be the disciples of Jesus, who did tarry in the land until the wickedness of the people was so great that the Lord would not suffer them to remain with the people; and whether they be upon the face of the land no man knoweth.
11 But behold, my father and I have seen them, and they have ministered unto us.
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I am reading links from the gospel library, reading about people's testimonies and then got a bit confused about whether a seeker or investigater were the same thing or not quite and then I came across the word apostasy because this lady was talking about her sadness in regards to her former Christian beliefs being an apostasy and I'm not sure I understand it clearly?
We almost discussed this, you and I, in another thread. Apostasy is listening to an unclean spirit rather than the holy spirit of G-d. Since there is opposition in all things (no neutral or non-spiritual) – apostasy is then that excuse for not listening to and being lead in “all things” by the spirit of G-d.

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The only beings of whom we know who had the Priesthood and were permitted to live past the span of their natural lives until the Second Coming were the three Nephite disciples and John. The Book of Mormon tells us that the three Nephite disciples were taken from among the people because of wickedness. It can be assumed that a similar situation occurred with John.

They still live, and they are still witnesses of Jesus Christ, but it seems that during the period of the Great Apostasy, they were not permitted to ordain others to the Priesthood until the Restoration, when Peter, James and John ordained Joseph Smith.
There are others that have received this covenant to tarry beyond normal life spans. We know of some at the time of Noah that called themselves "Zion". Today we call them the city of Enoch. At the time of Abraham this covenant was associated with a city called Salem. BTW - the term, meaning Salem on two mountains in ancient Hebrew is Jerusalem; in case you are wondering about the sacred meaning of that term.

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There is a passage of scripture that speaks about a great falling away--an apostasy. Most evangelicals see that happening during the Great Tribulation, when many will forsake Jesus in favor of the Antichrist. If I understand correctly, the LDS view is that this apostasy has already occured.
PC ~ Changing the subject of the post I would like to ask you about your beliefs of an antichrist....do you believe this antichrist will be a real person? Satan's offspring? I'm really curious about this because I've seen and heard about the antichrist in movies and stuff but don't know much about it. Are there Biblical references about the antichrist being a single person or entity like in the movies. The stuff I read in the Bible says their are lots of different types of antichrists....or do you believe in like the movies....the devilish guy who rises to power and rules the world mmmwwhahahaha!!!!!!
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I was just thinking that the portrayal of Mary Magdalen as a prostitute, rather than one of the Beloved, was probably an act of apostasy.
I think you are right. Way back in the cobwebby part of my mind there seems to be something there about in about 1000 AD it was feared that Mary Magdalen was getting a little too popular among the Catholics and was giving some competition to the virgin Mary, so one of the Popes wrongly declared her a prostitute. I think the present Pope has recently removed that "status" from her. Seems to me that she would have grounds for a liabel suit.

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I think you are right. Way back in the cobwebby part of my mind there seems to be something there about in about 1000 AD it was feared that Mary Magdalen was getting a little too popular among the Catholics and was giving some competition to the virgin Mary, so one of the Popes wrongly declared her a prostitute. I think the present Pope has recently removed that "status" from her. Seems to me that she would have grounds for a libel suit.
Maybe she should call the law offices of Dewey, Cheatum and Howe.

I understood that the backbiting became the standard line earlier that this (650 AD?) and was not so much due to competition with the Virgin Mary as it was a question of Apostleship-like status. Anyway, that is just from my vague recollection, possibly from some TV programs.
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can you give any verse in the bible that there was an apostacy
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