God has a wife in heaven???

yellows23 · #1 (**permalink**) 01-30-2008, 08:05 PM

In the other forum someone said that there is a mother who is married to God the father-wife.They have spirit children.What is the name of the mother and wife of God the Father??? The difference between LDS and NON_lds is the nature of God.In LDS,God the Father is flesh and bones.Non -Lds,God the father is a spirit-Trinity. Did Joseph Smith say that God was a man-motral first who become a God??? Both LDS and non-LDS believe Mary was born a virgin.

a-train · #2 (**permalink**) 01-30-2008, 08:19 PM

Yes, God the Father has flesh and bones. He lived a mortal life just like Jesus and rose to immortality and eternal life just as Jesus did. After having done this, He begat countless spiritual children. He ultimately brought these children to a grand council in heaven.

In the grand council, God the Father outlined important future possibilities and His Plan for His spirit children. He told us that He would create an earth and we would go there and be tested to see if we will do His will.

The earth was ultimately created and the spirit children of God the Father obtain physical bodies as they are born here on the earth. Our spiritual existance with God before our birth is called by LDS folks: the premortal existance or the antemortal existance.

We know that our spiritual birth in our premortal existance was brought forth by a mother. That is about all we know about this mother. We know no name for her. We also know that the spiritual body we obtained in our birth into the premortal realm is an item of substance. The spirit body is material, but it is material made up of matter that is finer or purer than anything discernable with the naked eye.

We do not know the actual process whereby our heavenly mother brought forth our spirit body. It is possible that the process could be very similar to the process whereby the physical body is formed, but it is just as possible that the process is entirely different. We simply don't know.

All that we do know is that this spirit body was in some manner given to us by our Heavenly Father through some virtue or action of our heavenly mother.

-a-train

AnthonyB · #3 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 04:54 AM

a-train,

Could you give the Standard work quotes that indicate that God was a wife, or that another being other then God the Father was needed to create the premortal beings.

Since Jesus was God before his incarnation, was the Father too? Not to mention that the Holy Spirit has not been incarnated at all and is God. Since we know that 2 out of 3 members of your Godhead were God before being mortalized and if I understand correctly there is no direct evidence in your standard works that God was not God before he was mortal. Clearly embodiement is not a necessity for being devine, are there any other beings who might also skip embodiement and be made devine?

a-train · #4 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 09:41 AM

AnthonyB,

There is no direct reference in the standard works to the existance of our heavenly mother.

Yes, exactly, divinity is not invested in the body or achieved in deed, it is lived in the spirit. The Father, like His Son, has always been divine, has always been Diety.

Have others always been divine?

'Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.' (Psalm 82:6)

Although man is fallen, this is not his origin or destiny. Man came from the celestial presence of the Almighty and God's work is to bring him home. Although devils deny it, it is truth, that man is not simply a work of clay in the hand of the LORD, but we are literally the offspring of God (Acts 17:29).

-a-train

Shell72 · #5 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 10:57 AM

a-train - with all due respect.. the verse Acts17:29 does not state that we are literally the offspring of God..

It states:

"28'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

by this I think it means "poetically", or figuratively, we are God's offspring, but the verse immediatly following that states :

"29 Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man's design and skill"

I take these verses to mean, that we are God's Children, but he is not like us in the flesh and we as his Children, should be well aware of this.

Loudmouth_Mormon · #6 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyB

Could you give the Standard work quotes that indicate that God was a wife, or that another being other then God the Father was needed to create the premortal beings.

The only reason LDS believe in a heavenly mother, is that it makes sense. We're created in God's image. We're literally spirit children. That means we're the same species. Children grow up to look like their parents, and this planet has boys and girls both running around on it. We believe gender is important, and eternal.

Everything else is just speculation - we don't have any clarifying revelation or scripture on the matter.

LM

the_jason · #7 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Shell72

a-train - with all due respect.. the verse Acts17:29 does not state that we are literally the offspring of God..

It states:

"28'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

by this I think it means "poetically", or figuratively, we are God's offspring, but the verse immediatly following that states :

"29 Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man's design and skill"

I take these verses to mean, that we are God's Children, but he is not like us in the flesh and we as his Children, should be well aware of this.

So because you "think" it means something then it has to be true. What version of the Bible are you using anyway? Doesn't sound like the KJV.

MissouriBoiler · #8 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 11:20 AM

I think it pretty safe to state that Heavenly Father's body and our bodies are different.

We have mortal bodies and and his body is immortal but as we know from the First Vision. We are created in his image. OUr body will be like his after the resurrection as we are promised this by keeping our first estate.

As for the statement about heavenly mother. I think I can dig up some writing by former church officials on the subject. I know I can on Professors and CES directors. Scriptures as stated has nothing on this subject.

But as stated it just kind of fits to me...

We know the purpose of Heavenly Father is for man to achieve Eternal Life and immortaility. We know that Eternal Life is a life similar to his. We know that heaven is not ruled by an ecclesiastical order but a patriarchal-based order. Then you just kind of logically picture a Heavenly Mother there.

a-train · #9 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 11:46 AM

And with all due respect also.

If indeed our attention is directed by Paul to the offspring of God, with the intent to discover that the Godhead is not like unto gold, or silver, or stone; should we not also conclude that the Godhead is not like unto an immaterial substance devoid of physical extension?

Are we to deny that the Saviour Jesus Christ is the literal offspring of the Father? In looking to him do we see a being like the idols Moses described 'which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell'?

It is true that Jesus is God, that He is the literal Son of the Most High God, and that He has flesh and bone, to say otherwise is to deny Him and the testimony of the apostles in the New Testament. Now it is true that there is no explicit passage in our Bible to the end that the Father also possesses flesh and bone as does His Son, but that holy collection of books also has nowhere in it any denial of the notion.

To preach such a denial is to preach an unscriptural teaching. An act already standing on an unsure foundation, the foundation of the logic of man which derives its greatest strength from the power of common consensus alone.

We have not a shred of word from any prophet ancient or modern that he has seen or witnessed that God is without a body of flesh and bone, but to the contrary we have many who have and do claim witness to the contrary.

That is the pattern whereby God grants wisdom of His existance, His mind, His purposes, and His will for man. The testimony of the Apostles was not that they had not seen or not felt the physical person of God, but that they had indeed seen and heard and touched the living, seeing, hearing, eating, and speaking God, who is the Son of the Most High God.

It is also the testimony of Joseph Smith that he saw and spoke with the living Father, the Most High God as well as the Son and that They indeed do have bodies of flesh and bone.

There is but one manner whereby men can know the truthfulness or falsehood of such testimonies, and it does not include the consideration of the sophistries of some laid against the sophistries of others, but through personal revelation from God himself. For the LORD gave this pattern: 'Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.'

-a-train

yellows23 · #10 (**permalink**) 02-01-2008, 03:29 AM

How did God the father who was mortal,went from mortal man to immortal man???? When God the father was a mortal man,was there anybody else there too??? any other mortal men???Before God the father created the earth-immortal body,where did he live as a mortal man??? another solar system??? or planet??? Non-LDS believe God was always immortal male who is a spirit-god head of the trinity-never a mortal man as us.We as a mortal man or human are imperfect-weakness-sin,Even Paul,Peter,and Moses,others,are not perfect.Peter deny Jesus three times.