Language:
Welcome Guest Login or Signup » LOGOUT

Go Back   LDS Mormon Forums > LDS.NET Popular Forums > Current Events
You are not logged into the site. Please login or signup.

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 07:02 PM
Moksha's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: United States -
Posts: 3,904
Thanks: 141
Thanked 659 Times in 455 Posts
Laughs: 30
Got Laughs 208 Times in 98 Posts
Default Uninsured sicker and deader

Quote:
Report: Uninsured Utahns are sicker and dying sooner than insured counterparts
By Lisa Rosetta
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated:04/08/2008 01:41:09 PM MDT

The uninsured, who now number 47 million in the U.S., face a lack of necessary medical care, growing medical debts, and in some instances, premature death. To understand what this means, Families USA generated the first-ever state-level estimates of the number of deaths due to a lack of health insurance.
In 2006, the New York-based nonprofit found, there were nearly 1.25 million people between the ages of 25 and 64 living in Utah, of which 19.4 percent were uninsured. An estimated 150 people died because they were uninsured; between 2000 and 2006, that number was more than 800.
The nation's uninsured, says the report, "Dying for Coverage in Utah," are less likely to have a usual source of care outside of the emergency room and are going without regular health screenings and preventative care. Adults without insurance, for example, are more than three times as likely as insured adults to delay seeking medical care [47 percent versus 15 percent.]
The result is the uninsured are 25 percent more likely than those with private insurance to be diagnosed with diseases in an advanced stage, the report says.
No one knows that better than the clinicians at the Fourth Street Clinic, who see about 6,000 people - 90 percent of whom are uninsured - each year. In 2007, said Jennifer Hyvonen, the clinic's communications director, 50 people homeless patients died from chronic diseases. Their average age at death: 46.
"We have a lot of patients who are being treated," she said. "They're diabetic, and then they have high cholesterol and then they have hypertension and then it just compounds from there because they haven't received any treatment."
Uninsured Americans between 55 and 64 years of age are at an even greater risk of premature death, the report says. The organization estimates that not having insurance to cover various illnesses is their third leading cause of death - behind heart disease and cancer.
The group includes Donna Doty, who was diagnosed with late-stage breast cancer in July 2007 and was dead by Nov. 14, said her sister, Pamela Buss. The 60-year-old Salt Lake City woman worked as a waitress for most of her life and was uninsured.
"By the time she was diagnosed, she had extensive lung and brain cancer as well," Buss said. Had her sister had health insurance, "I'm pretty sure she would have had more regular screenings had it not been such a financial issue."
Because uninsured adults are unable to negotiate the discounts on hospital and doctor charges that insurance companies do, they also pay more - up to two-and-a-half times more - for their care, the report says. About 60 percent of uninsured adults under the age of 65 reported struggling with medical bills.
"Our safety net for many people is more holes than webbing," said Ron Pollock, executive director of Families USA.
Report: Uninsured Utahns are sicker and dying sooner than insured counterparts - Salt Lake Tribune
__________________
Jesus said, "The first in importance is, love the Lord God.'
And here is the second: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.'
There is no other commandment that ranks with these."

Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 07:24 PM
Elgama's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 1,435
Thanks: 439
Thanked 443 Times in 316 Posts
Laughs: 29
Got Laughs 22 Times in 18 Posts
Default

that is true even with the NHS the poorer areas are less healthy. Poorer diet and less well educated are to blame plus greater incidences of stress and depression

-Charley
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 09:14 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,039
Thanks: 46
Thanked 432 Times in 261 Posts
Laughs: 0
Got Laughs 19 Times in 5 Posts
Default

I am always concerned with particular view points, especially if the party given a point of view has an ax to grind or incentive in the outcome.

We already have problems with our health care but let me point out something interesting. The two greatest health problems in the United States are caused from over eating and lack of exercise. The two most offered health solutions in our health system is drugs and surgery. How can people be better off because of health care?

I also read a study that indicated the 40% of the children in our health care system are made worse by incorrect doses of medication.

Just because 50% of our population can’t have babies does not mean that we need to act to correct the problem – Men cannot have babies and according to Mother Nature that is not a problem that should concern us.

The Traveler
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Traveler For This Useful Post:
crytsprospect (04-11-2008)
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 09:55 PM
Alaskagain's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: United States -
Posts: 1,145
Thanks: 63
Thanked 78 Times in 51 Posts
Laughs: 15
Got Laughs 28 Times in 11 Posts
Default

I think all health insurance should be eliminated. Private and government sponsored. Instead, pay doctors and dentists with the money you would have spent on monthly health insurance premiums. (Or with chickens and fresh vegetables from your garden.)

The savings in bureaucracy and paperwork would be phenomenal for hospitals and doctors offices. At one of our hospitals, over 50% of the entire payroll goes to the insurance department. It's ridiculous. Nurses should be getting that, not insurance clerks.

Imagine, no more insurance company CEO's walking around with $6 million or more in annual bonuses.

Doctors could afford to charge less, hospital stays would cost less, and more charitable/free care would be given - indeed, some insurance networks set limits on the percentage of reduced rate care a doctor can give.

(With the implementation of the Fair Tax, the doctor only needs to figure out what constitutes 23% of a chicken.)
__________________
Genealogy: How to confuse the dead while annoying the living.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Alaskagain For This Useful Post:
crytsprospect (04-11-2008)
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 10:46 PM
jadams_4040's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: United States -
Age: 55
Posts: 318
Thanks: 13
Thanked 36 Times in 29 Posts
Laughs: 0
Got Laughs 2 Times in 1 Post
Default

This is ssoo true and getting worse every day, but there are certain groups pf people whom dont have this problem i:e... the politicians, the insurance company investotrs e,t.c....
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 11:00 PM
a-train's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: United States -
Posts: 2,807
Thanks: 37
Thanked 683 Times in 370 Posts
Laughs: 5
Got Laughs 35 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Its just sad. The more government gets involved, the more people are harmed. When will we wake up and take our freedoms back?

-a-train
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to a-train For This Useful Post:
crytsprospect (04-11-2008)
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008, 08:02 PM
skalenfehl's Avatar
Head Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: United States -
Posts: 2,901
Thanks: 375
Thanked 932 Times in 570 Posts
Laughs: 9
Got Laughs 25 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by a-train View Post
Its just sad. The more government gets involved, the more people are harmed. When will we wake up and take our freedoms back?

-a-train
Hopefully now! Every man and woman should be actively engaged in a good cause. Everyone should be involved in their local community. The more this happens, the less crooked politicians will have their way. Otherwise we just forfeit absolute power and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
__________________
"No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done" (History of the Church, 4:540).
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to skalenfehl For This Useful Post:
crytsprospect (04-11-2008)
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-10-2008, 08:16 AM
a-train's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: United States -
Posts: 2,807
Thanks: 37
Thanked 683 Times in 370 Posts
Laughs: 5
Got Laughs 35 Times in 17 Posts
Default

If Americans wanted to take our freedoms back, we would stop accepting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid 'benefits'. This is difficult for most to resist. We talk a lot about wanting lower taxes, but people hesitate when we talk about lower so-called 'benefits'.

-a-train
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-11-2008, 04:48 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,039
Thanks: 46
Thanked 432 Times in 261 Posts
Laughs: 0
Got Laughs 19 Times in 5 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by a-train View Post
If Americans wanted to take our freedoms back, we would stop accepting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid 'benefits'. This is difficult for most to resist. We talk a lot about wanting lower taxes, but people hesitate when we talk about lower so-called 'benefits'.

-a-train
Just so you know I plan to apply for Social Security at the very first date I possibly can. I plan to use my Social Security to help pay for some of my taxes.

The Traveler
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 04-11-2008, 06:42 PM
SMG's Avatar
SMG SMG is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: United States -
Age: 27
Posts: 182
Thanks: 148
Thanked 45 Times in 30 Posts
Laughs: 9
Got Laughs 2 Times in 1 Post
Default

The way things seem to be going, I doubt I'll ever see the money they take away from my paycheck returned to me in any form, especially in the form of "social security." I'm under 30 and jaded, what can I say?
__________________
Shoot for the moon! Even if you miss, you'll still wind up among the stars!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

New Posts


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0



TERMS & CONDITIONS | HELP | CONTACT US | INVITE | RSS FEEDS | ABOUT US | GET INVOLVED | ARCHIVE
*** LDS Mormon Network ***
More Good Foundation. All rights reserved.

Header art used by permission of Mark Mabry and Reflections of Christ.

LDS.Net is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon Church or LDS Church). The views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the position of the Church. The views expressed by individual users are the responsibility of those users and do not necessarily represent the position of the More Good Foundation. For the official Church websites, please visit LDS.org and Mormon.org.