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Old 04-20-2008, 11:08 PM
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A girl friend of mine emailed me this article. I thought you might like to read what our government is up too lately.

Countdown to REAL ID (May 11, 2008)
20 days, 01 hours, 04 minutes, 37 seconds from today.


On January 11, 2008, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released the final regulations to implement the requirements of the Real ID. The release of the final regulations is a mere 120 days prior to the implementation deadline established in the Real ID Act. DHS estimates the costs for states to implement the Real ID will not exceed $3.9 billion.

On May 11, 2008, state driver's licenses and identification cards will not be accepted for federal purposes unless DHS determines a state is compliant with the Real ID or a state has been approved for an extension by DHS. States will have until March 31, 2008 to seek an initial extension of the Real ID compliance date. Real ID Act Passed -

The End Of America

On Tuesday, May 10, 2005, America became a true police state. Your U.S. senators voted -- unanimously, with no discussion, and without even reading the bill -- to create a national ID card.

The Real ID Act blackmails state governments into turning their drivers licenses into a draconian tool of the federal homeland security apparatus. If states refuse, their citizens lose such "privileges" as being allowed to board an airplane, enter a federal building, or apply for social security. President Bush is expected to sign the bill eagerly on Thursday.

In three years -- by May 2008 -- this Stalin-style internal passport will be an American reality. But your government will have _more_ control over you than Stalin ever dreamed in his most violent, vicious, anti-freedom dreams. (See links to the text of the law and articles about it at the bottom of this article.)

But that's only the beginning.

The creator of the Real ID Act, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, smiles and tells us that his Real ID Act is all about "solving illegal immigration" or "preventing terrorists from entering the country." This is one of the biggest of the thousands of "Big Lies" we've heard from the tyrants in Washington. The Real ID Act is about tracking and controlling Americans. You. Me. Our children. Everybody.

In May 2008, barring a miracle, America as we once knew it will be in ruins. It will be gone. And the rights of gun owners will be among the first scheduled for destruction.


* The federal government or state governments can now also _effectively_ legislate limits on the number of guns you may own. Try to buy more, and the database rejects you.

* Eventually -- after the federal government "discovers" the obvious, that national ID won't stop either illegal immigration or terrorism -- the old attack on "evil guns" will resume. When they want your .50 BMG . they'll know just where to find it (because the Real ID act says your home address _must_ be revealed). When they want your evil "scoped sniper rifle" (you know, the one you hunt deer with), they'll know just how to get it. Ditto with you "Saturday Night Special" or your "assault weapon."

* If you don't surrender your guns, well, then the Department of Homeland Security will cut off your driving "privilege," as well as your right to escape the growing police state via plane. You'll be a prisoner in your own home, in your own country. Or you'll be forced to function as an outlaw, operating and living a precarious existence beneath the government radar.

PARANOID? OR PAYING ATTENTION?

You say these projections are ridiculous? That we're paranoid?

Well, frankly, if the Real ID Act doesn't make you paranoid, you're not paying enough attention. We ask you to consider the long-term impact of a few other acts of government.

In the 1930s, Congress promised us that our social security numbers would never, absolutely never, be used for identification. Now, they're the key to everything about us -- and without a social security number you won't get a drivers license and you won't even be "allowed" to drive after May 2008.

In 1913, Congress and the media swore to us that the brand- new income tax would only affect the rich. Well, how rich do you feel after paying 40 percent of your income (or more!) in taxes?

This is the way government works. They've even got a term for it: mission creep. And there is no creepier mission than the mission the federal government has currently set itself: to track everyone, everywhere, and to control what we do.

We warned you in _The State vs. the People_ (http://www.jpfo.org/tsvtp.htm ) that this was coming. That book is still relevant, still a good read, and still filled with information about what our future will be like in this new American police state.

Be forewarned. Be aware.

REAL ID: IT'S THE LAW AND IT'S CRIMINAL

Please take a moment to go to this site:
http://www.rebelfirerock.com/home.html.


George Orwell was the first to describe totalitarianism as a "boot stomping on the human face forever." But in Orwell's day Americans would have had a hard time believing that the law -- the good old, all-American legislature -- all those smiling senators and "representatives" would be the ones to plant their iron heels in our faces. Back in those innocent days, we imagined tyranny would come from _outside_.

Well, tyranny is here. And it's a gift from the very people we so trustingly put into office.

Tyranny is THE LAW.

Is this a way to run a country? Tacking something as onerous as national ID onto a must-pass bill and making it law without any debate? What does this say about people the gun owners consider their friends? In the House, where the bill containing the Real ID Act passed 368-58, only three Republicans voted against it. Here's the final roll-call vote so you can see how your own congressperson voted: http://tinyurl.com/cr3bj )

In the Senate, not one person cared enough about freedom to vote against it -- or even to demand that senators _discuss_ it.

(The Real ID Act originally passed the House in February as a standalone bill (H.R. 418) by a vote of 261-to-161. House leaders, realizing national ID would have been in trouble in the Senate, then added it to a must-pass military appropriations bill in a cynical ploy to make it almost impossible to fight national ID.)

Turning America into a full-fledged police state was just business as usual to your representatives. And, just as Adolf Hitler scrupulously followed German law while committing his horrors, so your "representatives" and the bureaucrats you face at the national-ID drivers license bureau will also be following the law -- the Real ID law that allows them to enslave you.

(To see what a real Bill of Rights leader would do, read the novel _Hope_ by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith: http://www.jpfo.org/hope.htm .)

WHAT NEXT?

We have two choices now: Resist or submit.

More than 600 organizations, from the American Civil Liberties Union to the National Governors Association, opposed the bill. Even the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (which loves national ID and was largely responsible for an earlier attempt at such legislation nine years ago) criticized it.

We can expect lawsuits against national ID, including at least one suit led by state governments.

However, nearly all the opposition from state governments focuses on one area: They're upset because the federal government didn't offer them extra money to enslave us. If Congress bribes them with enough millions and billions, they'll gladly sell our freedom.

Only one state, Montana, has so far absolutely refused to cooperate with national ID. The Montana legislature passed a law saying they would not go along. However, that will mean that Montana residents are barred from flying without extreme extra scrutiny or from applying for federal benefits because their licenses will be "non-compliant." Although we applaud the courageous Montana legislators, no doubt we'll soon hear many Montanans demanding the "privilege" of having a real national ID card.

Ultimately, real resistance is up to us, as individuals. There are certain courses of action JPFO cannot recommend. But every freedom lover should be pleased if all the people who had a hand in creating Real ID act lost their jobs -- soon. And those individuals who truly value their (and their children's) futures should seriously consider making national ID their line in the sand.

We have already heard from many people saying they will drive without a license rather than submit to a license that has become a Stalinist control document. We just hope their resolve stays equally strong when they face a world in which it's impossible to buy, sell, retire, travel -- or buy a gun -- without national ID.


We must become the kind of people we admire if we are ever again to live in a nation we can trust.

G-d help us if we fail.*

- The Liberty Crew

ABOUT THE REAL ID ACT

Text of the law:
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

"No Real Debate for Real ID"
No Real Debate for Real ID

"Last Chance to Stop National ID"
Last Chance to Stop National ID - by Ron Paul . (written before
Senate passage)

* We spell G-d this way because in Judaism it is considered
a sign of respect. We spell out the name of the Creator
only in sacred settings.

What do you think my brothers and sisters, are we headed for a police state?

Your loving sister,
Leeann
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:35 AM
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23 views and no posts. I guess no one is concerned that REAL ID is the very next step to the mark that is mentioned in the bible.

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Old 04-21-2008, 05:46 AM
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Not really. This is not the first invasive government thing that people call the mark of the beast and it wont be the last. Besides if Revelation is literal then who cares. The mark of the beast will happen before the second coming.
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Your post caught my eye, and I was dumbfounded at the writer's lunacy, so much so that I am compelled to comment. There are some "red flags" that, when used to demonstrate how severe a problem is, are always an indication the writer is an emotional overreactionary.

The most common red flags are "Stalin," and "Hitler."

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. . . this Stalin-style internal passport will be an American reality. But your government will have _more_ control over you than Stalin ever dreamed in his most violent, vicious, anti-freedom dreams.
Who wrote this slop?

To compare this “ID card” to Stalin’s horrific torture, terror and murder of tens of millions of people is obscene. It is also ignorant beyond belief.

Again, TENS of MILLIONS of people were murdered by this madman. People under Stalin’s rule were so terrified of ending up in his torture chambers they would actually turn in their own family members, knowing there was no guilt, but that it was the only way to save not only their own lives, but their children’s as well.

Have you ever heard of the “Lubianka”? It was the Stalin’s main prison and his favorite torture chamber. People were literally thrown onto steel-pointed barbs and died hanging from them at Lubianka. In fact, Stalin hired his most sadistic “comrades” to run Lubianka, only to murder them after a time.

Have you ever heard of Stalin’s gulags? His exiles? His purges?

And you believe this writer’s insane hyperbole about Stalin is equal to a federal ID card?

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What do you think my brothers and sisters, are we headed for a police state?
No, we are not. The card already exists. It is your SS# combined with your driver’s license info combined with everything else the government already knows about you.

I am not saying you should not express your opinion; in fact, I appaud it. I certainly can understand concern about the card, especially with its civil liberties conflicts.

However, any opposition paper, or informational e-mail should be written in a logical, natural and credible manner. It should never be littered with overeactions and emotional lunacy.

My final advice: Do not ever believe someone who resorts to Stalin or Hitler to prove a point. There is no comparison, and it is ultimately insulting to the millions and millions of people who lived through the horrors of that madman, every single day of their lives.

There is no correlation whatsoever, and it is a sign of stupidity. Sheer stupidity.

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Well put Elphaba. Coudn't have said it better myself.
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If this is the e-mail I believe my friend (Interpretation of Revelations 13:16-18) started flipping out about--and something's telling me it is--then somebody (namely, my friend) needs a lesson in what propaganda-driven hit pieces, skewed to appeal to a certain group of people, look like.

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I am not saying you should not express your opinion; in fact, I appaud it. I certainly can understand concern about the card, especially with its civil liberties conflicts.
As can, and do, I. However, sensationalistic, highly-subjective hyperbole does not a reliable body of information make. What Elphaba points out bears repeating:

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However, any opposition paper, or informational e-mail should be written in a logical, natural and credible manner. It should never be littered with overeactions and emotional lunacy.

My final advice: Do not ever believe someone who resorts to Stalin or Hitler to prove a point. There is no comparison, and it is ultimately insulting to the millions and millions of people who lived through the horrors of that madman, every single day of their lives.

There is no correlation whatsoever, and it is a sign of stupidity. Sheer stupidity.

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Leeanntheonetwo, in no way am I suggesting that we take these things too lightly. We need to be watchful and ready, for sure. But I believe it's much better to go to God for things that are His, and to trust that He will reveal the answers to us when it's time.
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:01 PM
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You guys are a bunch of doubting Tomases' What facts to you base your unbelief on? No offense intended.

Now read what they are doing in the UK and then tell me that it wont happen here in the good old USA. Tell me adults wont have to be chipped one day too.



The government is to scrap its controversial £30 voluntary ID card system in favour of having every child born in the UK implanted at birth with a free radio frequency-based (RFID) identity marker.

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articl...or-infants.htm

Love back to ya!

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We were having our pets chipped a decade ago. It's great technology - fortunately we've never lost our doggies and had to rely on it working!

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personally i usually check forwarded emails out on breakthechain.org or snopes.com before passing them on. it's amazing the stuff you find out.
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Focus on the Prophets and not to worry over these issues. It will eventually come but that is not important right now.
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