Praise YHWH!!! Righteous Judges still DO Exist! - Page 2

LegendadryPerc · #11 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 12:10 AM

I think it isn't so much what happens to you, as much as how much that differs from what you're used to. This is another point that hits home with these kids. If they were as isolated as they say they were, if they were homeschooled with stay at home moms, (I realize they had a communal school, so maybe this part isn't so bad), then the shock of being away from mom for the first time would be tremendous. Whereas your average, been being babysat by "stangers" since they were 3 months old, kid, that is shipped off to public school every day, would probably adjust much better, or at least not be quite as completely hysterical at the whole idea. Perception of the world is based on past experiences, there is little else individuals have to base it on. It is hard to imagine the forced seperation of ones family for 2 years, to not have an effect on a person for the rest of their life. Also, one may not feel they are traumatized by something, untill they find themselves in a particular situation that makes the past relevent. Perhaps you have not experienced, or come to a point in your adult life where it is extremely relevent, forced seperation from your family.

LegendadryPerc · #12 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 12:17 AM

I believe the churches stance on the current situation has been nothing more than miraculous. The church has a strong stance of not taking sides politically, but only teaching priciples. As much as almost all involved on either side were visiously drug through the mud, and much unhappiness has existed because of hatred and lack of forgiveness, it is a miracle the church has been able to stay out of it as much as they have, and not only remain neutral, but the media has not even been able to profit from trying to say otherwise. Considering it all, it is a miracle.

LegendadryPerc · #13 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 12:21 AM

lol, I haven't adressed the real topic of this thread yet! Yes, as I understand, the worst of it is over! If CPS comes up with some way to keep the kids, it will not be by calling their belief system abuse. That was the worst of the many disputed crimes committed here. (at least that is how I understand the ruling - bookmeister?)

Fiannan · #14 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 01:35 AM

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Unless they are mentally ill, how on earth could an adult with free agency be so traumatized for something a half century earlier?

Normal human beings are a bit more resilient than that.

Oh come on...if you listen to those daytime talk shows it seems women on those shows and in the audience are traumatized if their husbands leave the toilet seat up at night.

On the point about lifelong hatred of the government though, I remember seeing an interview with Alfred Hitchcock. He said that when he was 5 years old he took a piece of candy from a store and when his dad noticed what he did he thought it would be a good lesson to have a cop pretend to arrest him and took him to the station (in the England of those days I guess cops had time to spare). He was so terrified by the ordeal that he developed a lifelong phobia of cops -- breaking out in a sweat if a cop car was behind him on the road. And in all his movies the police are portrayed negatively.

Now imagine some Boss Hogg-like police department coming in, tank and all as well as automatic weapons, and seizing you from your home and family. I would be incredibley shocked if one of these kids didn't grow up to be another Timothy McVeigh.

WillowTheWhisp · #15 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Snow

Unless they are mentally ill, how on earth could an adult with free agency be so traumatized for something a half century earlier?

Normal human beings are a bit more resilient than that.

Young children removed from the only home and security they have ever known in a frightening situation involving guns and armoured vehicles. Then being promised that their mothers would come back for them only to find that their mothers didn't come back (they were not allowed to - they were sent back to the ranch) and then being fostered in a home where the lifestyle was totally alien. You think they can just shrug that off and 'get over it'?

You may never have seen many people who came back from wartime prison camps who appear on the surface to be 'normal' but who wake in the night screaming and bathed in sweat. They are adults. They have their free agency. They are a darn site more resilient than the ones who just commit suicide rather than try to cope - but life is never the same and I find it difficult to understand how you could be so heartless.

I would say it's the normal human beings who are affected and the ones who aren't are the abnormal ones - like those poor kids in Romanian orphanages who were so resilient they didn't know how to show any emotion at all.

Fiannan · #16 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Young children removed from the only home and security they have ever known in a frightening situation involving guns and armoured vehicles. Then being promised that their mothers would come back for them only to find that their mothers didn't come back (they were not allowed to - they were sent back to the ranch) and then being fostered in a home where the lifestyle was totally alien. You think they can just shrug that off and 'get over it'?

You may never have seen many people who came back from wartime prison camps who appear on the surface to be 'normal' but who wake in the night screaming and bathed in sweat. They are adults. They have their free agency. They are a darn site more resilient than the ones who just commit suicide rather than try to cope - but life is never the same and I find it difficult to understand how you could be so heartless.

I would say it's the normal human beings who are affected and the ones who aren't are the abnormal ones - like those poor kids in Romanian orphanages who were so resilient they didn't know how to show any emotion at all.

Like I have said, Texas better be prepared for some HUGE lawsuits.

Fiannan · #17 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 01:42 PM

Texas CPS officials react to court's ruling that children must be returned to parents.

Redbeard · #18 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiannan

Texas CPS officials react to court's ruling that children must be returned to parents.

HAHAHHAHA

Sorry, I don't really have anything to add to the discussion, but that was funny, Bravo Fiannan, nicely done

Moksha · #19 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 03:13 PM

Texas Court answers concerns of abuse...

KosherXMorg · #20 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 03:14 PM

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This decision strikes me as forcibly as that picture of Warren Jeffs holding twelve year old Loretta in his arms and passionately kissing her.

Where is it shown that she is 12 years-old? CPS has already shown it is very inept at guessing the ages of FLDS women. BTW, Warren Jeffs is 6'7" just about anyone would appear short next to him, so we can't judge it by her size in the picture. Either way it doesn't matter Warren Jeffs is in jail and Texas has yet to prove anything besides polygamy occurred at the YFZ Ranch. If they want to make a case against Jeffs, go ahead, but this is about these families not him.