Same-Sex Marriage and the Persecution of Civil Society

omega0401 · #1 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 02:02 PM

(Edited to change the link to go directly to the full story)

The following link is to a very interesting story about Same-Sex Marriage and the Persecution of Civil Society. It brings up some very interesting points about the direction our society is heading.

Same-Sex Marriage and the Persecution of Civil Society

Some of my thoughts on the article...Have we now lost part of our freedom? To allow others their free agency to commit sin is one thing but to force us to contribute in their sin – doesn't that take away our free agency not to be apart of someone else's sin? Just when did we allow our government to force us to partake of something we view as morally and religiously wrong and which we do not want to partake of?

How are we contributing in their sin? Will all churches be force to marry gays? Will all teachers in all church owned schools be forced to teach that gay relationships are not a sin but acceptable? Will all doctors be forced to perform an artificial insemination on lesbian couples? Will a photographer be forced to participate in a Gay marriage by taking photographs of the event or be sued for discrimination? Will all these be forced on us regardless of our moral or religious beliefs? Have state governments started rewriting God's commandments? I fear this is just the beginning.

We are living in the last days, but still, let's pray that the Marriage Amendment in California passes! I live in California and my family and I are voting for it. If it fails, I believe it will affect the whole country.

Hemidakota · #2 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 02:15 PM

Welcome to the forum....

My wife is a current subscriber of her site. Both of us will be voting again over this issue [from our previous vote in 2000] again.

RachelleDrew · #3 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 02:16 PM

Oh my goodness.

All of the horrible things going on in the world and we think gays marrying is a sign of the end times?

Everyone needs to calm down. I still have yet to see what all the fuss is about.

Hemidakota · #4 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 02:36 PM

It is not about gays but rather the people votes were overruled. It is about teaching my children at school about same sex gender when it is my responsibility to teach my own children and not the state or nation. It is about the same scenario which brought down five cities of the plain where Abraham lived from a beauty to a rigid decay filled society. It is about allowing one special interest group having its way and then another, then another. Where does it stop? The Lord will come and intervene. Am I right to say this?

RachelleDrew · #5 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 02:51 PM

Sometimes I think that the people's votes should be overruled. The vast majority of the US probably would have voted to deny African Americans and women their rights at one point too. Good thing some people, however small the number was in the beginning, saw how silly that was.

I agree that homosexuality is a sin. However, certain religious groups consider it a sin to eat pork. What if they were the majority in the US? Would it be fair for them to ban the consumption of pork products based on their beliefs?

Of course not. Why? Because in a society that values freedom of religion we shouldn't create policies based on religious doctrine alone. Not everyone in the US believes that homosexual activity is a sin, and the only reason anyone can come up with against homosexuals marrying is that it's sinful. That to me is simply not a good enough reason.

Why is it that heterosexual couples can marry dozens of times or have drunken Vegas weddings and get annulments the very next day? How is that respecting the sanctity of marriage? It certainly isn't, but we just roll our eyes and say "it's not our business" when stuff like that happens. I certainly don't think that homosexuals marrying is any of our business.

As for them getting married in the church, that's something that cannot legally be breached as that would be a violation of church and state. Homosexuals can whine and complain about it all they want, but the government cannot tell a church official who they can marry. That's why we have secular justices of the peace. If a church WANTS to marry homosexuals then that's their prerogative. But nobody is going to hold one of our bishops down and force them to sign a marriage license.

Why is everyone so terrified of gays infiltrating their church and school anyway? They aren't contagious, it's not like we are all going to catch the "gay" virus if their marriage is legal. I don't recall turning black when learning about the Civil War, or turning into a Nazi when being taught about the Holocaust.

However, the subject just shouldn't be broached in school public school for the same reason that homosexual marriage should be legal. Because not everyone believes that it's okay and it's unfair to shove beliefs down people's throat.

If you do your job as a parent correctly, then when your children hear about homosexuality being "normal and acceptable" then they will either debate it in an intelligent and respectful manner, or laugh it off as rubbish and go on with their lives.

If children become traumatized by someone talking about homosexuals in their presence then they are going to have a rough time in the world.

I certainly understand your concerns about this hemi. It's often difficult in a world so full of sin to sit back and watch be legalized on your tv. In my opinion, God will not be mocked and homosexuals will certainly change their mind about their lifestyles a few moments after they pass away.....

Hemidakota · #6 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Thanks Rachelle for your perspective....

checkerboy · #7 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 03:18 PM

Yeah I think you missed the point that I believe Hemi was trying to make. While I don't think homosexuals should be allowed to marry the point is that if we let government tell us what we can and can't do we become slaves to that government.
We just had a lesson in Sunday School about the last few chapters in Mosiah. The reason that Mosiah decided to turn the government over to the judges was because the fear that an unrighteous king would dictate what the people could or couldn't do. Now I know we don't have a king but we do have quite a number of judges that would like us to think that they now are better at deciding what is best for us. Remember we have no say in who gets appointed to be a judge for the most part.

Now I will direct you to Mosiah 29:27
27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.

Let's let the voice of the people bring about our destruction rather then the voice of a few judges who consider their opinions better for us then our own. At least the people at this point still seem to side with what is right as shown by the multiple votes cast against gay marriage. When the voice of the people is lost the country is lost.

So I see this as way more then gay marriage. Gay marriage is simply the vehicle which will seal the fate of whether or not WE THE PEOPLE still exists.

RachelleDrew · #8 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by checkerboy

Yeah I think you missed the point that I believe Hemi was trying to make. While I don't think homosexuals should be allowed to marry the point is that if we let government tell us what we can and can't do we become slaves to that government. .

You are not a homosexual, therefore the government isn't telling you that you can or can't do anything.

I think you are right, i'm still not seeing your point. Perhaps you could rephrase it?

GoodK · #9 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 04:48 PM

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