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06-22-2008, 12:41 PM
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I hold Latter Day Saints who blindly follow the current occupant of the White House in similar accord as I hold Anti's and Apostates... Sorry, but as Garrison Keilor says...the happiest day of his life will be January 20th, 2009 
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06-22-2008, 12:56 PM
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Let me assist you with a brief reality check here...unless, of course what you're posting is going into a "demo reel" for you to get your 15 minutes of fame on Comedy Central? 20 something "Terrorists" hijacked 3 planes on September 11, 2001. All the alleged terrorists were subjects of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA)...not one was an Afgan, not one was an Iraqi. These Saudi terrorists entered the country through Canada, yet within minutes Bush...or in reality Cheney from the "Secure Location" locked down the Mexican Border. For the next 3 days...aviation in this country was grounded...EXCEPT for a Royal Saudi 747 that went to several airports to pick up members of the Bin Ladin family and other Saudi Nationals in this country. When the FBI complained, they were told to shut up, US airspace was opened by order of the President. To this day, the FBI has been refused access to any of the Saudi Nationals who were allowed to flee in first class comfort, while members of the FDNY and NYPD dug through the rubble of what was once the WTC. Until we attacked Afganistan, the cultivation of opium poppies had been eradicated. What's our legacy in Afganistan...opium poppies fertilized by the blood of American Soldiers. There are well over 3000 Americans who left this realm in a twinkling of an eye. They know who was responsible...They know...sadly the evil that has enveloped this country and world. You root for a President who took blood oaths and secret combinations in college???? Hmmmm...and don't retort with "Boys will be Boys" codswallop... Like the late Albert Speer...the evil is all around you...and apparently you've closed your eyes to it?
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06-22-2008, 02:15 PM
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As most people know by now, the Iraq issue and what to do about it was on the table as soon as Bush entered the White House.
It's painfully obvious how mismanaged this war on Iraq has been. To think we were going to invade Iraq, oust Saddam Hussain, liberate the people and leave within a short time was folly thinking in the extreme. I cringe everytime they show W on the aircraft carrier shortly after the invation, with his countance just beaming with pride, only to find out later that he had stepped into the biggest pile of s..t since Vietnam. Even George Sr. had the wisdom not to go into Iraq, during Desert Storm. I will say that W handled the 9/11 tradjedy pretty well as a whole, by going into Afghanistan and liberating the people and especially the woman from the strongholds of the Taliban, but sadly since the focus has been primarily on Iraq for so long, I have heard report's that the Taliban is slowly coming back in Afghanistan. As for the extremist's on the run globally, that could be, but just to a new location to hunker down for awhile that's all. As for breaking them, this will never happen, as they have only become infuriated a hundredfold. As for the weapons of mass destuction, yes they had plenty of time to get rid of most if not all of what they did have--if much at all. As has been shed to light by many experts and even Scott McClleland his former press secretary that they were using limited knowledge on WMD as an exuse to go to war---cylinder tubes, yellow cake uranium etc. As for the comments that our streets are safe now, I sadly hate to burst your bubble but it is only a matter of time when this happens and most experts agree--I hope I am wrong. I think what will happen is well plotted out attacks with dirty bombs, and I also think several cities at the same time-- some cities that were speculated were-- New York, Washington D.C., Boston, Miami, Seattle, Los Angeles, Las Vegas if memory serves me. Chaos, and suffering. Dick Cheney is a very interesting character, with a streak of evil in him, corrupt with power with a disregard for humanity, all within the scope of agenda--HIS agenda (my opinion) Donald Rumsfeld brought Cheney up through the Ford administration when he was a nobody. Awhile back BYU honored Cheney with a achievment award and as they put the ribbon around his head--I kind of felt sorry for the old chap--don't really know why, I just did. I think it's interesting that during the David O' McKay years of the church that the church was predominatly Democrat's until the Reagan years, when it turned around. I think the secret societies, Gadiantons, darkness and corruption--whatever you prefer to call it, is in all segments and parties of the government as has been proven time and time again. Here is a link from PBS FRONTLINE called the Dark Side. I's been awhile since I have seen it--all about the events leading up to the war and many other thing's-- Of course I lap this kind of stuff up--I hope others will take the time to check it out--it's outstanding in my opinion. Sorry, I got carried away and this is so long. FRONTLINE: the dark side: watch online | PBS
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06-22-2008, 02:55 PM
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Just a sidenote:
The illigal immigration problem costs more that the war in Iraq-- which is passed onto the American Taxpayer's. Whatever happened to all of the hullabuloo talk by the Bush administration that Iraqi oil would be paying for the cost of the war, or at least a great part of it? This was stated in the beggining of the invasion if I remember correctly--now there is only deafining silence on the matter-- same old, same old, just pass it onto the good old american taxpayer. It's just more hot organic material passing out of the backsides of the arrogant and powerful--tell them what they want to hear for now--eventually it will become a non-matter. I would have voted for Mitt Romney not because he is LDS, but because I think he possibly could have helped the economy.
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06-22-2008, 03:03 PM
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Dark Side should be required viewing by all who long for the truth. Here's another website worth viewing 911 In Plane Site DVD Cheney's visit to the Y was the Administrations reward to President Samuelson for "firing" Professor Steven Jones... Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Steven E. Jones - Scholars for 9/11 truth
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06-22-2008, 03:31 PM
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Interesting, even among our own people there are those that deny what the Lord has done to protect us. But those days of protection are quickly coming to an end. We were given a golden opportunity to repent and return following 9/11, and we have squandered it. And we do have enemies, real enemies that wish the overthrow the the US, and many of them reside in the halls of power. Is Pres Bush pure? No, but he has been right on in this matter of fighting those that would enslave us. This is just as dangerous as anything during the cold war or the war on Nazism was, except now we have those that equate treason with free speech. And those that think that this is all Bush's fault and that they can't wait until he leaves are naive at best, stupid more probably.
As I said earlier, the processes that have been put in place are working. I don't care if AlQaeda is killing people in other areas. Why? Because that is up to their gov't to protect them. I only care that I'm being protected, because that is my gov't's job. I thank God everyday for those that have served bravely to protect me over here, and have put life and limb on the line for me. This farce that 'we support the troops, but will criticize everything our President does' is the epitome of putting 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag. Can't have it both ways. The children of Ishmael are just waiting, WAITING, for us to do another Vietnam and pull out because of the libs and traitors in this country that do not wish it well. They are heartened and know all thsy have to do is wait it out. The North Vietnamese have admitted that they nearly surrendered but were bolstered by the likes of the Jane Fondas of the world that openly criticized, and the images that were flashed across the world of the anti-war protests. What we need is another Captain Moroni to clean out the traitors that are rejoicing at the difficulties we are having, and in fact are fueling them. But, the BOM is just a story that has nothing to do with our time....
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06-22-2008, 06:18 PM
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sixpac you said:
"We were given a golden opportunity to repent and return following 9/11, and we have squandered it." That seems to be the pattern over the ages-- A crises happens--people humble themselves--look at what's really impotrtant in their life--provide service to one another--neighbors helping one another etc. Then the immediate crises tends to fade, and people usually go back to their way's--whatever their ways might be. sixpac said: " Is Pres Bush pure? No, but he has been right on in this matter of fighting those that would enslave us." I think the only way they can enslave us is the terrorist cells that are in this country to reek havoc upon us in all sorts of ways--I don't think we had to travel across the globe to start a war (Iraq) based on missinformation--which in my opinion was known to be missinformation by the current administration. sixpac said: "This is just as dangerous as anything during the cold war or the war on Nazism was" In my opinion a completley different war--I think we knew a little of the mindset of the Russians and Hitler---They wanted Global domination--The Ruskies didn't want to be blown off the map with nuclear weapons anymore than we did--Hitler on the other hand if he would have got his hands on the Atom Bomb, would have undoubtably used it (my opinion) I beleive the 'Extremists' on the other hand would destroy us at all costs, even if it means they or their homeland go up in dust to acheive their means. sixpac said: "And those that think that this is all Bush's fault and that they can't wait until he leaves are naive at best, stupid more probably." No, I don't think this is all George W. Bush's fault. I was for him the first time around, not the second time around, and yes I can't wait until he's gone--it's been said he has the most secretive administration of recent history--if not of all history. Now does that make me naive and stupid? Maybe, but unlike W I can say 'nuclear' instead of 'nucular'--I can also say 'terrorists' instead of 'terroristsssss'  sixpac said: "As I said earlier, the processes that have been put in place are working." You must be talking about the 'surge' something McCain likes to pat himself on the back about. If the troops would not have been taken out of the townships and cities where they already had it under control, only to be moved somewhere else, they would still be under control, as it is they have to go back in and reclaim it-- more lives, more bloodshed. sixpac said: "I don't care if AlQaeda is killing people in other areas. Why? Because that is up to their gov't to protect them. I only care that I'm being protected, because that is my gov't's job." Really? Why didn't the gov. of Afghanistan step up to the plate and protect the Afghan people from the taliban or go kill AlQaeda troops who were training in their country. As to your comment's about caring only about yourself and the American govt. protecting you-- The 9/11 commission said the U.S. government failed miserably. sixpac said: "I thank God everyday for those that have served bravely to protect me over here, and have put life and limb on the line for me. This farce that 'we support the troops, but will criticize everything our President does' is the epitome of putting 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag." As I do. My Dad who is 91 had a front row seat at Pearl Harbor, and the battle of 'Midway' the battle of 'Iwo Jima', 'Guadacanal' among just a few and was heading out of Okinawa when the first A-Bomb went off over Hiroshima. My brother also served during Vietnam. I missed Vietnam by a couple of years and served in the Army from 77-80 during peace time. So as you can see I do 'Support the Troops' I just do not have to support the president 'in everything he does' and have earned the right to 'criticize' the President, If I so feel inclined to do so. On the other hand, 'W' was kept out of Vietnam by his Daddy and Cheney never served in the military--but yet send so many young men to their deaths because of a war on 'missinformation' and on a war that could possibly go on for years-- That's what I call the 'epitome of putting 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag" as you called it. sixpac said: "The children of Ishmael are just waiting, WAITING, for us to do another Vietnam and pull out because of the libs and traitors in this country that do not wish it well. They are heartened and know all thsy have to do is wait it out." I prefer to call them 'Muslim Extremists' I would hate to put all of Ishmael's children in the same boat--but I get your gist. What are they "waiting out"? A chance to have a civil war later rather than sooner--it seems rather unavoidable--just putting off the inevitable--just my opinion--who knows maybe they will all play in the same sandbox someday--don't hold your breath. sixpac said: "What we need is another Captain Moroni to clean out the traitors that are rejoicing at the difficulties we are having, and in fact are fueling them. But, the BOM is just a story that has nothing to do with our time.... " And all this time I thought Captain Moroni was for Liberty. I don't think anyone is rejoicing at the difficulties of war, even the traitors as you call them--Bloodshed and the loss of life is never worth rejoicing over. And by the way I thought the Book of Mormon has everything to do with our time, in fact was written for our time! Take Care, HB
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06-22-2008, 08:33 PM
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Wow- really cool- conspiracy theory and everything. Both sides did a really good job presenting. And the truth is out there somewhere in the middle. I can see from reading a lot of your Blogs that many of you could have done a much better job of running the country than young Gorge. Now me personally, I don't think that I'm that smart. I think that when the war was originally packaged, it was a war on terror. Did we need a war on terror? Doing some quick totalling, over the last 20 years, more than 9,000 Americans have been killed due to terrorist activity. And 10's of thousands have been injured. Maybe just a quick list...
April 1983 Beirut Embassy 63 Killed Oct 1983 Beirut Marine Barracks 241 Killed Dec 1984 Kuwait Embassy 16 Killed Feb 1993 NYC World Trade Center 6 Killed and 1,000 injured June 1996 Khoba Towers 19 Killed and 243 injured Aug 1998 Nairobi and Kenya attacks 263 Killed and over 5,000 injured Oct 2000 USS Cole 17 Killed and 39 injured 9/11 World Trade Centers 3,467 Killed and 2,127 injured Are all of these Bushes fault? I don't know, because in life, I am up in the bleachers, a spectator to what is happening in the world. But one thing I do know, America hasn't done a lot before President Bush to stop or deter terrorism. And this just isn't going on in America, it is all over the world, and nobody is seeming to do anything. As far as judging Mr. President George and Cheney, I might leave that judgement up to my God, because he is better at judging people than I am. I think that after 9-11, if it was up to me, and I knew that Afghanistan was harboring known terrorists, I would have done the same thing as President George 41. I mean after all, I have millions, and millions, and millions of Americans I'm responsible for. I mean, What would you do? And what about Iraq, Ol Slick Hussien. He has a history of bombing his own people, and now their are terrorist camps in his country breeding little terrorist as well as large ones as well. What would you do? No matter what was done, millions would applaud while millions would condemn. Wasn't that Joseph's legacy as well. He did his prophetic thing, and thousands pinned him as a fraud and a charlatan, while thousands if not millions claim him as an inspired man of God. And are we safe? I think that we are in the quiet before the storm period. If what I hear is true, the Mexican gang MS-13 has been smuggling Al Qaeda members and Hamas members at 25,000 a pop, and my guess is that they are not coming in to flip burgers. I think that in an Osma Bin fashion, one day the checkered flag will come down and we will be up to our necks with dirty bombs and suicide bombers, Yes, even in America. Is it all Bushes fault. Maybe. All I know is that I and my family need to live like there will be no tomorrow. I can only say, I'm glad it's not me that is running the country. Last edited by hethathathears; 06-22-2008 at 08:37 PM.
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06-23-2008, 07:05 AM
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[QUOTE=hethathathears;218127]
Now I wanted to put my arm to the square and call down fire from heaven for having such a disrespectful attitude about our amazing President that has done so much for the American people. /QUOTE] 
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06-23-2008, 07:14 AM
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apologies in advance...I'm kind of talking to two people at once here.
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Unfortunately for you, Bush's legacy is going to be put in the history books as, "Well, he wasn't Gore, and he wasn't Kerry." When that's the best you can say about the guy, you really don't have much going for you. (by the way, Skip, lay off all the secret combination stuff. Your rantings make it pretty hard to take you seriously) With all due respect, I'll have to disagree with you on some things. But don't worry, I'm also going to disagree with Skip on a lot of things. You both seem to be fairly fanatical in your opinions. You are correct when you say that we have not had as many attacks on American soil thanks to our troops being in Iraq and Afghanistan. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. If you move the war onto the enemy's home court, of course there will be less action on your own--that result is arithmetical. Now please note that I never said I was opposed to being in this war, but opposed to how it is being managed. If we're going to sit over there in a mismanaged, politically minded war, then our troops really aren't doing anything than serving as decoys to satisfy our need for safety. Now, I don't know about you, but I have a big problem with the idea of our troops routinely getting killed simply so that you and I won't. However, if they want to go in and fight this like a war, crush the enemy, and seize all their assets, and accept the inevitability of civilian casualties (you know, like you're supposed to do in war), then I'm all for it. So, I see two solutions to this problem that would make me happy: 1) Realize that under current management we're not going to succeed over there and pull out our troops, thereby letting the place devolve into mayhem. 2) Decide to fight this like a war, and go in and win. Either solution works for me, so I really don't care which gets implemented...but the status quo simply won't do. Next, yes, it would be nice if people realized that a lot of the terrorism stuff is something that could have been handled (and should have) during the Clinton administration. They dropped the ball. But the fact that Clinton made that really bad decision doesn't change the fact that the whole thing has been poorly managed under the current administration.
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