Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his thousand Centrifuges

[hethathathears]

Over the last week or two there has been a lot of news worthy stories dealing with Iran and her President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. His latest statement is that Iran has over 6,000 different Centrifuges going 24/7 in the quest to develop nuclear energy. That was also the claim that Saddam Hussein used throughout his entire quest for nuclear energy. It wasn't until his nuclear facilities was destroyed that it came out by his scientists that they were really making the bomb to destroy Israel. For an entire year Israel made plans and when the time came, destroyed Saddam's nuclear plants.

This is all played out on the History Channel's documentary of Israel attack on Iraq's nuclear plant.

And now, here we are 27 years latter in the same boat. Over the last year, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have made a number of speeches to his people promising that very shortly Israel will be taken out by the fiery mushroom of the Islamic wrath and no matter what kind of sanction we put in his way, Iran is going forth at full speed to finish his quest. He has promised that as soon as he finishes the bomb he will use it on Israel. The bad part is with 6,000 different centrifuges going 24/7, Iran could have nuclear capability within 6 months. And just like with Iraq, Israel could destroy all of Mahmoud's dreams of apocalyptic war in one afternoon, that I believe is why Iran is doing all of their missile tests. They are so close to finishing as was Iraq. For Israel, they don't have the choice to let Iran finish their nuclear bomb, just like with Iraq. Over the last year and a half there have been snippets of information bubbling up about Israel training to take out Iran's nuclear plants. One such news cast was revealed in Feb 2007 about Israel training with American made bunker busting bombs so that they could destroy the underground facilities. Last month they had an air flight over the Mediterranean for the same distance as was Iran's nuclear facilities. This flight was 100 feet above the ocean so it would be below radar detection.

Over the last couple of weeks I have studied a great deal about Israel's various wars. I studied the 1948 war (War of Independence), the 1956 war (The Suez War or Sinai War) , the 1967 (Six Day War), the 1973 (Yom Kippar war), the 1982 (Israel Lebanon War) as well as others, and in each case Russia has been there to support their Arab allies. In the 1967 and 1973 wars, it almost came down to a world war and the use of nuclear weapon. That was something that I never really understood until I studied it. Back in the 1980's the Soviet Union collapsed and basically went bankrupted, today they all alive and well, thriving with Iranian money.

The writings on the wall and it could all play out like the Bible says, "like a flood." Great time to prepare in all things! For in Zech 14:12-15 it gives a brief description of what will happen in the last days to those who fight against Israel.

[Islander]

Hethathears:

I appreciate your post. And there are still some naive, diluted people that want to "negotiate" with Iran. How do you negotiate with someone that wants you dead? What do you say to somebody that wants to destroy you? Israel is a tiny country of 6 million surrounded by enemies 1 billion strong. I think if, just for the sake of the arguments, the Mexicans would be shooting up rockets at California everyday, by now our southern border would be the beautiful Guatemalan jungle and we would be visiting the awesome ruins of Copan on the weekends.

We as Americans keep making the same mistake. We see the world thru our own eyes and believe the rest also do the same. I think it borders on stupidity and there will be h_ll to pay for such a misguided position.

[Bookmeister]

If Israel was attacked with a nuke, I have no doubt that they would glass the entire middle east...after all, they've had nukes for a number of years now.

[Rize]

Originally Posted by hethathathears

His latest statement is that Iran has over 600,000 different Centrifuges going 24/7 in the quest to develop nuclear energy. That was also the claim that Saddam Hussein used throughout his entire quest for nuclear energy.

I challenge you to cite one single report that claims Iran has over 600,000 different centrifuges.

Originally Posted by hethathathears

Over the last year, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have made a number of speeches to his people promising that very shortly Israel will be taken out by the fiery mushroom of the Islamic wrath and no matter what kind of sanction we put in his way, Iran is going forth at full speed to finish his quest. He has promised that as soon as he finishes the bomb he will use it on Israel.

Again I challenge you to find one single quote from Ahmadinejad promising that "Israel will be taken out by the fiery mushroom of the Islamic wrath." You say Ahmadinejad "has promised that as soon as he finishes the bomb he will use it on Israel." He has never said that either.

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

From Memri:

In a speech in Mashhad on July 26, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stated that Iran would not relinquish its right to enrich uranium, announcing that the 5+1 had agreed that Iran would have 6,000 centrifuges at Natanz and that operating them "would not be a problem" and would serve as a basis for continued nuclear talks.

Well, at least it had a six in it...

Regarding threats of impending attacks, Iran has mainly focused on making threats about what they'd do if they were attacked. That, and the usual hype about how the zionists drink the blood of children and are planning global armageddon and whatnot.

LM

[hethathathears]

My bad. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad only admitted to having 6,000 different centrifuges instead of 600,000 like I had posted. But the same time frame is true according to MSNBC, it is still stated that Iran could have nuclear capablilty within 6 months according to this weeks news clip. The fact that Iran admitted to having 6,000 centrifuges was all over the news this weekend. One site is-

//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25920912#25872920

This site give the story of one of the many being broadcast over the weekend. As far as Iran saying that very shortly Iran will take out Israel with a fiery mushroom, I have that statement on a number of VHS taps that I have in my library, however, within a day or two I will have some other statements from Iranian President like the speach he gave where his legion began chanting "death to America, dearth to Israel." I just have to figure out how to down load all this stuff without the help of my teenagers who are up at camp.

[Rize]

Originally Posted by hethathathears

My bad. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad only admitted to having 6,000 different centrifuges instead of 600,000 like I had posted. But the same time frame is true according to MSNBC, it is still stated that Iran could have nuclear capablilty within 6 months according to this weeks news clip. The fact that Iran admitted to having 6,000 centrifuges was all over the news this weekend. One site is-

//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25920912#25872920

This site give the story of one of the many being broadcast over the weekend. As far as Iran saying that very shortly Iran will take out Israel with a fiery mushroom, I have that statement one a number of VHS taps that I have in my library, however, within a day or two I will have some other statements from Iranian President like the speach he gave where his legion began chanting "death to America, dearth to Israel." I just have to figure out how to down load all this stuff without the help of my teenagers who are up at camp.

His legion? I can guarantee you he has never said "Iran will take out Israel with a fiery mushroom" that would be all over the news. No google search pulls up anything even close to that.

Iran has a legal right under the NPT and IAEA treaties to develop a nuclear energy program.

IAEA Inspector General Dr. El Baradei has repeatedly said: "We do not have data indicating to us that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons." Read the IAEA reports on Iran (link) Iran is continually working with the international community to address issues concerning its nuclear program.

Even according to U.S. intelligence reports Iran halted work toward a nuclear weapon under international scrutiny in 2003. (link)

The real kicker is that while you condemn Iran for trying to develop nuclear energy, claiming it might attack Israel, look at the other side of the coin. The U.S. broke NPT treaties to illegal supply Israel with over 200 nuclear weapons. When was the last time Iran invaded a country? Israel has repeatedly in the recent history invaded multiple countries in the Middle East, and continues to illegally occupy the West Bank. While you say Iran shouldn't develop a nuclear weapon, you support Israel, a country guilty of breaking 10 times more UN resolutions than Iraq ever broke. Israel is guilty of breaking over 60 UN Security Council resolutions.

The U.S. has refused to keep any commitments of nuclear disarmament; the U.S pulled out of the ABM treaty, refused to support ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, and is breaking the Non-proliferation Treaty by sharing nuclear technology with India and Israel. All while the IAEA has found no evidence Iran has broken Non-proliferation Treaty promises.

[hethathathears]

The difference between Iran devoloping Nuclear weapons and anyone else is that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seems to have a bad habbit of giving speaches in front of thousands of Iranians that have the words "Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to Denmak, Death to England. And I guess when he does that, there are thousands and thousands of Iranian's repeating after him.

You can see all the articles and movies by Googling - President Ahmadinejad - Death to America, Death to Israel

I guess it seems that he gave such speaches on Jan 13, 2007, July 21, 2007. Sept 23, 2007, and Sept 22, 2007 just to name a few, and guess what, American news didn't cover it. In a number of those articles he is not shy about saying that Israel will be removed.

But hay, if you want more, here is a web site that let's you recieve it all from Al-Jazer T.V.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

In the second box named Radical Islam Exposed Part 2 by Ritter 1001 it has Ahmadinejad saying that anyone who supports Israel will "Burn in the fire of the Islamic Nations fury." But wait a minute, according to you and the IAEA, Iran doesn't have any fire of the Islamic fury. And yet he is going around chanting Death to America, Death to Israel.

Also in that link above, there are a number of interviews with Prime Minister Benjerman Netenyah who has been going around giving interviews that Israel in concerned that Iran is close to finishing the Bomb. And if you go threw the 40 or so videos, you will see that Mahmoud isn't shy about claiming to use the bomb once they get it completed.

Now you asked me to look at the other side of the coin, you say that Israel has 200 nuc's. I believe that, but how many of those has Israel used on it's attacking nations. That's right -0-

It seems to me you are putting an awful lot of faith in the IAEA who claims that the Iranian stopped their project back in 2003, and yet if you read anything that Ahmadinejad has been saying over the last 2 years, their program is alive and well. Even this weekends news is that Iran has over 6,000 centrifuses goings and yet according to the IAEA, they quite their program back in 2003. So who do we believe, Iran or the IAEA?

In his book Jerusalem Countdown, John Hagee discribes how you make a nuclear bomb.

The Six-Step Procedure for Making a Nuclear Bomb
Uranium, once enriched can form the core of a nuclear bomb. But enriching it requires hard-to-acquire technology- and time. The equipment that Mr. Khan, the father of Pakistan's Atomic bomb, peddled included centrifuges, which are critical to enrichment. Here's how the process works:

1- Dig it- Uranium ore is mined, milled, and soaked with sulfuric acid, leaching out pure uranium.

2- Crunch it- Uranium is dried and filtered into a coarse powder called yellowcake.

3- Bake it- The yellowcake is exposed to fluorine gas and heated to 133 F converting it into a gas, uranium hexafluoride.

4- Spin it- The gas is pumped into a centrifuge that spins at the speed of sound. As it spins, the heavier u-2387 moves toward the outside while the lighter, highly fissionable isotope U-235 collects closer to the center.

5- Spin it again- The slightly enriched u-235 is fed into another centrifuge, where it is enriched further. It moves down a train of some 1,500 cebtrifuges. Once it is 20 percent pure, the uranium is considered hightly enriched. Only at more than 90 percent purity, which takes about a year, is it weapons grade.

6- Squeeze it- The enriched uranium is converted into a metal powder, uranium oxide, which can be molded into a sphere weighting 35 to 100 pounds (16 - 46 kg) and place in a weapon.

This book was written back in 2006 and they were concerned with how close Iran was at that time, all because Mahmoud like Hitler, and Saddam Hussien are not shy about what they are planning.

[JcDean78]

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[Rize]

Originally Posted by hethathathears

Now you asked me to look at the other side of the coin, you say that Israel has 200 nuc's. I believe that, but how many of those has Israel used on it's attacking nations. That's right -0-

It seems to me you are putting an awful lot of faith in the IAEA who claims that the Iranian stopped their project back in 2003, and yet if you read anything that Ahmadinejad has been saying over the last 2 years, their program is alive and well. Even this weekends news is that Iran has over 6,000 centrifuses goings and yet according to the IAEA, they quite their program back in 2003. So who do we believe, Iran or the IAEA?

Iran has a legal right to enrich uranium for a peaceful nuclear energy program, it has only enriched it to around 3.5%. That is still years away from even reaching the minimum of 20% to make a weapon, allowing the international community plenty of time to address the issue if Iran exceeds what it is legally allowed to develop.

While Israel hasnt used any of its 200+ nukes it has invaded and attacked nearly all of its neighbors, and has broken over 60 UN security council resolutions. Who has Iran invaded or attacked. Ahmadinejad's party only holds the presidential seat, and is widely unpopular and according to most sources his party will lose the presidential seat in the next elections.

I'm not only citing the IAEA (the international organization in charge of monitoring nuclear development) but I cited the United States National Intelligence Estimate (which said Iran stopped its nuclear weapon program in 2003)

There is a difference between a weapon program and an energy program.

Look at the U.S.-Israeli attack on Palestine and Lebanon in July of 06, where under U.S. supervision, using U.S. supplied weapons including cluster bombs Israel killed over 1,000 people (mostly civilians) and displaced over 1,000,000 Lebanese civilians (1/4 of the population), many of whom still cannot return to their homes due to unexploded cluster bombs that litter southern Lebanon. In southern Lebanon, Israeli planes dropped leaflets warning villagers that they should flee north for their lives. When they complied, a warplane attacked a column of refugees incinerating 18 people, most of them children. Then other planes demolished the main roads as well as all of the bridges over the Litani River, forcing many of the refugees to abandon their vehicles and continue their exodus on foot.