What Happens If California's Marriage Protection Amendment (Prop 8) Fails?

[Hemidakota]

Meridian Magazine:: Family Leader Network: What Happens If California’s Marriage Protection Amendment (Prop 8) Fails?

Editor's Note: Because California has no residency law, it will be exporting its same-sex marriages to the entire nation. No matter where you live, you may find yourself dealing with these consequences listed below.

[siouxz72]

isn't this politics?

[Hemidakota]

Yes and no...it is a perseveration of the sanctity of marriage no matter of the agenda.

[Connie]

Who's on the Lord's Side, Who? Now is the time to show.
We ask it fearlessly! Who's on the Lord's side, Who?

This is great, thanks! Further evidence of your coolness!

[a-train]

See the mess we started back when government got involved in marriage? I'll be honest. I grew up Mormon feeling the pains of the Pioneers in being denied their 1st Amendment Rights. Freedom of Religion and Assembly should be untampered. We cannot legislate morality.

I can hear the arguments:

Children in public schools will have to be taught that polygamous marriage is just as good as traditional marriage.

Churches will be sued over their tax-exempt status if they refuse to allow polygamous marriage ceremonies in their religious buildings open to the public.

Religious adoption agencies will be challenged by government to give up their long-held right to place children only in homes with only one mother and one father.

Religions that sponsor private schools with married-student housing will be required to provide housing for polygamous families, even if counter to church doctrine, or risk lawsuits over tax exemptions and related benefits.

Ministers who preach against polygamous marriages will be sued for hate speech and could be fined by the government.

What are you saying a-train? I think the fight to keep marriage what it is is great, but the real battle we should be talking about is the fact that government should have no control over marriage at all.

-a-train

[RainofGold]

Protect Marriage—A Better Understanding of Proposition 8



1. Doctrine
Three key documents that explain the doctrine of the Church
1) Proclamation on the Family
2) Letter from First Presidency regarding Proposition 8
3) The Divine Institution of Marriage

2. Understanding
1) Seek to love an understand those who struggle with same- gender attraction.
2) Realize that we are involved in trying to bring salvation to all of Heavenly Father’s children.
3) See Parable at the end of November 1993 Ensign
For Time and All Eternity by Elder Boyd K. Packer
2) Same-gender Attraction - LDS Newsroom

3. Consequences

1) Six Consequences the Coalition Has Identified If Proposition 8 Fails

1. Children in public schools will have to be taught that same-sex marriage is just as good as traditional marriage.

The California Education Code already requires that health education classes instruct children about marriage. (§51890)

Therefore, unless Proposition 8 passes, children will be taught that marriage is between any two adults regardless of gender. There will be serious clashes between the secular school system and the right of parents to teach their children their own values and beliefs.

2. Churches may be sued over their tax exempt status if they refuse to allow same-sex marriage ceremonies in their religious buildings open to the public. Ask whether your pastor, priest, minister, bishop, or rabbi is ready to perform such marriages in your chapels and sanctuaries.

3. Religious adoption agencies will be challenged by government agencies to give up their long-held right to place children only in homes with both a mother and a father. Catholic Charities in Boston already closed its doors in Massachusetts because courts legalized same-sex marriage there.

4. Religions that sponsor private schools with married student housing may be required to provide housing for same-sex couples, even if counter to church doctrine, or risk lawsuits over tax exemptions and related benefits.

5. Ministers who preach against same-sex marriages may be sued for hate speech and risk government fines. It already happened in Canada, a country that legalized gay marriage. A recent California court held that municipal employees may not say: “traditional marriage,” or “family values” because, after the same-sex marriage case, it is “hate speech.”

6. It will cost you money. This change in the definition of marriage will bring a cascade of lawsuits, including some already lost (e.g., photographers cannot now refuse to photograph gay marriages, doctors cannot now refuse to perform artificial insemination of gays even given other willing doctors). Even if courts eventually find in favor of a defender of traditional marriage (highly improbable given today’s activist judges), think of the money – your money – that will be spent on such legal battles.

And think of all the unintended consequences that we cannot even foresee at this time. Where will it end?

It’s your children, your grandchildren, your money, and your liberties.

Lets work together to protect them.

2) ProtectMarriage.com
3) When Gay rights and Religious Liberties Clash

4. Action
1) Knowledge - Prepare yourselves to share and defend
2) Act by giving of time and means
A) Walk the precincts & volunteer
Donate financially to support the cause


Rain

[rastler00]

Originally Posted by siouxz72

isn't this politics?

There's a politics board? I don't see it.

[pam]

Talking about politics is fine. It's posting about candidates running for office that is not okay.

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by RainofGold

A) Walk the precincts & volunteer
Donate financially to support the cause

Are these two items not in violation of the need for non-profits to not be political activitists, since we are talking about a pending ballot issue?

[rastler00]

Only if it is specifically part of a church activity, they are funding it, driving you around, or you are soliciting in the name of the Church in question. It is sort of a loop hole non-profits have been using to get around this sort of thing for years.

It's my understanding the ban initiative looks as if it is going to fail. Opinions on gays and gay marraige have changed considerably since 2000. Especially in California.