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Old 01-05-2009, 03:48 PM
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RonRosenbaum.com Some Differences Between Hamas and the Nazi Party

It is ironic that much of the socialistic media in Europe presents Hamas as a group merely fighting for liberation and against some sort of extremism of Israel yet rarely looks into what the organization stands for -- or the fact that Hamas purposly locates its weapons in civilian areas so that when Hamas murders innocent Israeli citizens ,and then is forced to target those missiles, innocent Palestinians will be killed.

A big difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas purposely targets men, weoman and children who are Jewish while Israel does its best to avoid killing civilians.
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my brother's writing his thesis on hamas. i think it will be an interesting read, especially with all that's going on with hamas right now.
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Yep - three pretty clear reasons Hamas are the bad guys:

* They purposefully target civilians
* They often conduct their operations surrounded by civilians
* They are calling for the complete and total destruction of a sovereign nation recognized by the UN

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Yep - three pretty clear reasons Hamas are the bad guys:

* They purposefully target civilians
* They often conduct their operations surrounded by civilians
* They are calling for the complete and total destruction of a sovereign nation recognized by the UN

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–The Hamas founding covenant explicitly calls for the extermination of all Jews. Hitler never made total extermination an official plank of the the Nazi party platform. (see Holocaust scholar Omar Bartov’s article in the February 2, 2004 issue of The New Republic. He points to the extermiationist 7th article of the founding Hamas covenanat which cites the Hadith (saying of the prophet). Here is a translation of the Hadith in a deeply disturbing summary of Hamas’ exterminationist anti-semitism by the Brown University scholar Andrew Bostom:
“The Prophet, Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him, says: “The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,’ except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6985)
In other words, Hamas is not committed merely to the political goal of expelling Jews from the land of Israel but to what they believe is a sacred religious goal of exterminating all Jews everywhere behind every tree in creation. (I’m not pinning any hopes on “the Gharqad tree”). I’d suggest those who deceive themselves into believing Hamas is just another Palestinian rights group, maybe a little on the extreme side, read the whole Bostom article. The exterminationist anti-semitism of Hamas is more excessive than Hitler’s.
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Yep, they are just like the Jewish terrorists who preceded them.

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Yep. Hamas purposely targets civilians and are bad guys. Israel inadvertently targets civilians, but kills a lot more.

Hamas are the bad guys. I make no bones about it, but what do you do when to get at one of them, you have to kill 100 innocent people?
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If Israel know that Hamas hide themselves among civillians, are they themselves not guilty of targeting these civillians along with the targeting of Hamas, just being logical lol.

Of course terrorism from Hamas has to stop, i do not know of a way forward, i do not see any peace in the region until Hamas stops firing missiles into Israel, This is not going to happen, they are out to destroy the Jews, so really it is for the Jews to destroy Hamas first i'm afraid.

It is up to the Peoples of the region to turn hamas over to the Israeli authorities.
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I suspect that some of those Israeli authorities are a part of Hamas and that bad things will happen to the people if they try to turn them in. It's much harder to do the right thing when your life and the lives of your family are threatened. . .
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Unfortunately, the best solution isn't possible: go back and time and prevent the moronic decision to give a displaced people a place to call home by displacing another people. Okay, all you Palestinians. Up and leave. We've decided that the Jews get to have your land. What!? You have a problem with that? That's outrageous!

The creation of Israel wasn't exactly one of the brightest moments in our history was it?
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Unfortunately, the best solution isn't possible: go back and time and prevent the moronic decision to give a displaced people a place to call home by displacing another people. Okay, all you Palestinians. Up and leave. We've decided that the Jews get to have your land. What!? You have a problem with that? That's outrageous!

The creation of Israel wasn't exactly one of the brightest moments in our history was it?
And the irony of the whole thing is that after that we eventually let the Palestinians have a free election. Then we were shocked and appalled when they voted Hamas into power.
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