Pending Health Care Legislation

[Maxel]

Originally Posted by Moksha

We are unique in that our values do not extend to taking care of the basic health care needs of everyone.

Have you missed the part about us being out of money? Values are meaningless if divorced from reality- we can pontificate all we want but if we don't have the ability to back that talking up with action, no one is helped.

We don't have the ability to nationalize health care without digging us farther into a rut and rushing this country towards a total economic collapse.

By the way- where is support in the scriptures that governments should provide health care for all? I see support for the Constitution being inspired- the same American Constitution that prizes a small government (which seems directly opposed to nationalized healthcare). Do you have any cogent arguments, Moksha, for nationalized healthcare- other than "our values" mandate it?

[john doe]

I don't believe anyone gets turned away from ERs here in the states either. And we do have Medicare and Medicaid to help the poor. One of the differences between the US and other countries is that we have people who pride themselves on self-sufficiency and avoid getting on the goverment dole if they can. Unfortunately, that independent spirit is being crushed by a government that wants to control every aspect of our lives, including health care.

Our president is already hawking GM cars, and we will see more attempts by the government to steer the consumers into buying products made by companies they control.

[Kawazu]

Howdy,

A great 20+ page PDF evaluating the benefits of non-third-party payment and increased choices for doctors and their patients is available here. (It includes four pages of references, as well.)

Regards,
Kawazu

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

Originally Posted by Moksha

We are unique in that our values do not extend to taking care of the basic health care needs of everyone.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to an Emergency Room in a big city on a Saturday around midnight?

[Palerider]

Originally Posted by john doe

I don't believe anyone gets turned away from ERs here in the states either. And we do have Medicare and Medicaid to help the poor. One of the differences between the US and other countries is that we have people who pride themselves on self-sufficiency and avoid getting on the goverment dole if they can. Unfortunately, that independent spirit is being crushed by a government that wants to control every aspect of our lives, including health care.

Our president is already hawking GM cars, and we will see more attempts by the government to steer the consumers into buying products made by companies they control.

the hospital my wife works at...they don't get turned away due to no insurance...

[john doe]

Originally Posted by Kawazu

Howdy,

A great 20+ page PDF evaluating the benefits of non-third-party payment and increased choices for doctors and their patients is available here. (It includes four pages of references, as well.)

Regards,
Kawazu

Thanks for that. When I get a free weekend I'll read it completely through, but from a quick scan it seems to be well-researched.

[goofball]

Originally Posted by john doe

I don't believe anyone gets turned away from ERs here in the states either. And we do have Medicare and Medicaid to help the poor.

Nobody gets turned away from the ER which is why you find people there at odd hours of the night to be treated for their cold or ear ache.

When a uninsured patient comes into the ER there is a worker right there trying to sign the patient up for medicaid so the hospital can get some money.

Yes people want federally funded health care but they dont want the tax increase to be 50% of their income which is common amongst those countries with a federally sponsored health care.

[Palerider]

Originally Posted by goofball

Nobody gets turned away from the ER which is why you find people there at odd hours of the night to be treated for their cold or ear ache.

When a uninsured patient comes into the ER there is a worker right there trying to sign the patient up for medicaid so the hospital can get some money.

Yes people want federally funded health care but they dont want the tax increase to be 50% of their income which is common amongst those countries with a federally sponsored health care.

and I do not want be taxed for it either.....with Obama popularity numbers falling....makes you wonder if he will continue with his big health insurance plans....I guess I will have to watch the Obama News Network(CNN) to find out....

[Kawazu]

Originally Posted by john doe

Thanks for that. When I get a free weekend I'll read it completely through, but from a quick scan it seems to be well-researched.

Hey there,

You're welcome very much. Whenever you find time to complete your perusal, hit me back with your impressions of the article.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Kawazu

[Just_A_Guy]

Originally Posted by Moksha

You are not alone. Every industrialized country on Earth has a health care system except for the United States. We are unique in that our values do not extend to taking care of the basic health care needs of everyone.

Yeah; it has to do with a preference (in this regard) for liberty over security.