Obama's Healthcare?? Plan

[bytor2112]

MOE.......I appreciate your comments and your insight regarding the health care issue. I can't speak for anyone else, but I would say what concerns me is that we really don't know the details.......and the devil is usually in the details.

1. How much will it cost? (will we cut wasteful spending somewhere else? Doubtful)
2. Who will be paying? Everyone?
3. Who will be covered? Who won't be covered?
4. What is covered and what is not?
5. Choice of Doctor's?
6. Will we really be able to retain our private insurance?
7. What happens to private insurers and how does that affect the economy?

The list could go on. As far as the euthanasia....I think some people are concerned that if treatment is available that MAY or MAY NOT save someone, those decisions may be decided by a government panel based on cost.......ok, that probably occurs now with insurance companies. I am not completely opposed to the idea, BUT, I would sure like to see some wasteful spending cut to off-set the price tag...wouldn't you?

Honestly, Obama and the members of Congress that support this have done a lousy job of presenting the plan to a cautious and concerned public. Details, details, details.....we need details. This is way to big an issue to just ram down out throats. If they get it wrong, it could have disastrous consequences for the economy and the health and well being of all Americans.

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

I recently asked an uber-liberal buddy of mine when was the last time the government put together a program of similar massive scale, that turned out to be a good thing. He mentioned Social Security. Upon being pressed for something a bit more current, he mentioned the Department of Energy.

I don't know which is worse, the prospect of gubment healthcare working as efficiently and wonderfully as the DOE, or the fact that various people will indeed 'drink the koolaid' and believe it's a good thing when it's here.

LM

[Wingnut]

Thank you to whichever mod edited the derogatory "King" out of the thread title.

[rameumptom]

One problem I see is that the President is NOT getting what he originally envisioned. He's totally turned the process over to Nancy Pelosi, as he did the "stimulus bill."

A couple days ago, I was watching a news discussion on this on MSNBC. The commentators stated that in Clinton's era, the health care program failed because the president/Hillary tried to keep things secret and not allow Congress any true input into the system and it failed.

Obama is trying to avoid the same mistake by letting Congress develop it. The problem is, he is totally giving it over to them, and not steering the plan along, to ensure it will actually do something good.

As it is, they are not touching Medicare and Medicaid, which together have costs that will soon approach $50 trillion in IOUs. Unless Congress gets serious and does something about those two programs, we're going to end up bankrupt with no health care for anyone in the USA (except Congress and their cronies). It totally amazes me how no one outside a few media types are even talking about it. Congress seems absolutely blissful to wear their blinders and march forward to their Utopia. But what will happen when they find out their city in the clouds only has a false floor ready to collapse, and everything falls back to earth?

[rameumptom]

Originally Posted by Loudmouth_Mormon

I recently asked an uber-liberal buddy of mine when was the last time the government put together a program of similar massive scale, that turned out to be a good thing. He mentioned Social Security. Upon being pressed for something a bit more current, he mentioned the Department of Energy.
LM

Does your friend realize that Social Security runs out of money in less than 10 years, and will be totally bankrupt before 2025? Does he realize it only realizes a 1.5% annual return (our national average is 3%, so it loses ground yearly)? Does he realize that personal accounts in US treasury bonds could easily have gotten us 5-8% interest?

Even with the 2008 crash, bonds would have had us far ahead over the last 20 years than the 1.5% annual rate.

[anatess]

I STILL do not understand how ANYBODY - liberal, conservative, moderate, what-have-you - can hand over something as important as HEALTHCARE to the American government. You have NUMEROUS examples of government programs in all stages of failure and you're about to hand over another BIG ONE.

How many election cycles does it take for anybody to realize Social Security is in trouble? How many election cycles to realize Medicare is in trouble, Education is in trouble... etc. The MORE they fix it, the MORE it gets broken. And I can say this for ANY president - conservative or liberal! Look, even Bush did the No Child Left Behind and the Prescription Drug stuff. Yeah, it sounded good on paper and now it's a mess.

WHY OH WHY would you even LET them have healthcare???? You guys are NUTS!

[ADoyle90815]

Originally Posted by anatess

I STILL do not understand how ANYBODY - liberal, conservative, moderate, what-have-you - can hand over something as important as HEALTHCARE to the American government. You have NUMEROUS examples of government programs in all stages of failure and you're about to hand over another BIG ONE.

How many election cycles does it take for anybody to realize Social Security is in trouble? How many election cycles to realize Medicare is in trouble, Education is in trouble... etc. The MORE they fix it, the MORE it gets broken. And I can say this for ANY president - conservative or liberal! Look, even Bush did the No Child Left Behind and the Prescription Drug stuff. Yeah, it sounded good on paper and now it's a mess.

WHY OH WHY would you even LET them have healthcare???? You guys are NUTS!

I actually agree, since the "Cash for Clunkers" program was too successful to the point that it ran out of money in less than a week and has been canceled. Also, Social Security isn't going to be around by the time those of us under 50 are ready to retire. I just hope that people who have health insurance that they like will be able to keep it, especially if it's better than what the government could offer.

[prospectmom]

Well, Mrs. Obama, let's see what your husband, the King said.

Was sarcasm really needed I am just stating the facts and Margin said it clearly also... The transplant program has its rules set up the President has no control in that. You seem to be very angery and you seem to want to lash out I am sorry you feel that way.......

YOu should be angery with the paid lobbyists and the money behind them..... the congress and senate who want their share of any pie offered no matter the consequences ....

[prospectmom]

Originally Posted by ADoyle90815

I actually agree, since the "Cash for Clunkers" program was too successful to the point that it ran out of money in less than a week and has been canceled. Also, Social Security isn't going to be around by the time those of us under 50 are ready to retire. I just hope that people who have health insurance that they like will be able to keep it, especially if it's better than what the government could offer.

Actually the Cash cor Clunkers program is still going on and congress/senate has added additional 2 billion dollars to the program.

From what I read the whole idea is to help those who do not hava affordable insurance be able to afford it...... so all can have healthcare.... ideally what is the problem with that????? I know it will be messed up by congress/senate/ lobbyists etc but the idsa is good.

[farmer]

I'm with anatess. All I need to know is that the gov. is involved. This should not even be up for debate.