Obama's Healthcare?? Plan - Page 37

Just_A_Guy · #**361** (**permalink**) 11-07-2009, 10:25 AM

Apparently (and I may be misunderstanding things, so please feel free to correct me), the basic-level public option would cost around $5,300 per year ($441/month) for a single individual or $15,000 ($1250/month) for a family policy.

Now, I could get mid-level coverage through IHC for myself only for under $200 per month and for my entire family for under $500 per month.

What was the advantage to ObamaCare again?

talisyn · #**362** (**permalink**) 11-07-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rameumptom

First, Mosiah wasn't talking about government helping the poor and needy, but individuals doing so. As King, he could have collected taxes and helped the poor, instead he sought for individuals to do the work. It isn't charity if the government takes it by force and redistributes it. It is charity when people give from their hearts.

Second, doing something isn't necessarily the same thing as doing the right thing. Lyndon Johnson tried his Great Society for a war on poverty. It was based on government doing all the work. It hasn't worked. Its implementation has destroyed poor families. Poor families used to have a father in the home. Now they don't, because they don't get as much in benefits if there is. It discourages people from getting ahead. Bill Clinton actually tried to fix it 15 years ago, but it still has major problems. Also, As I mentioned before, Medicare and Medicaid are on life support. If they go belly up, no one will have medical coverage. And Congress' current plan does not fix it.

The concept of: if $1 trillion is good, then $100 trillion thrown into the pot should be superior, does not make good sense. You have to have a decent design if you wish to have a decent implementation.

Destroyed families? CFR por favor

Especially the implications that all families were hale and hearty before the War on Poverty.

talisyn · #**363** (**permalink**) 11-08-2009, 10:56 AM

Here's something for everyone who thinks politicians never listen to their constituents CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time - Blogs from CNN.com

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"A lot of my constituents are uninsured, a lot of them are poor," Cao said. "It was the right decision for the people of my district."

dorave · #**364** (**permalink**) 11-08-2009, 02:31 PM

Healthcare reform passes, I live in NZ where we have Govt run FREE-for all healthcare and I feel sorry for America.

rameumptom · #**365** (**permalink**) 11-09-2009, 06:48 AM

I feel sorry for America, also. Because we are putting together a 2000 page monstrosity that will sit on top of the bloated and wasteful Medicare program.

Better plans could be easily put together, but not with the Congress we currently have.

rameumptom · #**366** (**permalink**) 11-09-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by talisyn

Destroyed families? CFR por favor

Especially the implications that all families were hale and hearty before the War on Poverty.

Being you are in the wilds of Idaho, you cannot appreciate the struggles in the inner cities. I spent over 16 years working with inner city people and the poor in Alabama. Being crammed into housing projects and with rules that do not support the family, but rather just single moms, has destroyed the African American community in many cities. It is one of the biggest tragedies of the last 50 years.

Were there problems before? Of course. But we've highly amplified them. While African Americans make up about 15-20% of our population, they now make up about 1/2 of the inmates in our prisoners. It is directly tied to the break down of the family, much of it caused by our welfare system as it is currently designed. Young men are growing up without fathers, or with fathers who are spending time in jail. We are now on the third generation of people (and in some cases the 4th or 5th generation) of people living in the welfare state. It has robbed them of their dignity, of their responsible fathers and mothers, and of their faith that they can overcome.

They no longer look to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr as a hero, but look to Tupac Shakur and gangsta rappers for their guides. And it is all directly tied to the break down of the family structure, which is directly tied to the design of the Welfare state under LBJ.

anatess · #**367** (**permalink**) 11-09-2009, 07:14 AM

interesting... i put a comment for a different thread, press Ctlrl-Z to undo something I deleted... and it ends up in this thread. Gotta report to Pam.