Senator Edward M. Kennedy dies at 77

[Churchmouse]

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Let those without sin cast the first stones.[/QUOTE]

I have

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by Churchmouse

What bothers me more is the people that riled against you when you were alive have all these nice things to say about you when you die. That's the height of hypocrisy.

Passing of one soul is only a journey to enter on into the next state. Members who look at this event with sadness are missing a piece of testimony in understanding what awaits this soul; fate of the soul in the next life. I only shed tears when I know the fate of the soul and expectation of handing down judgment, in preventing them in entering into a rest state.

[FlaviusHambonius]

I was able to watch Ted Kennedy's memorial service on T.V. today and enjoyed the comments from the speakers but especially the heartfelt comments from Ted Jr. about his Father.
I'm sure that Ted Kennedy would be the first to tell you that he had weaknesses and faults and made many mistakes in his personal life. I'm sure that he would tell you that he had much darkness in his life due to some of those choices he made.
But I also think that he would tell you that there's hope in the light apart from the darkness as he surely believed in redemption.
He strived to be a good patriarch of his immediate and extended family during times of chaos. He strived to serve his country according to his beliefs. He was blessed with a wife who according to him 'saved' him from many of his weaknesses.

It's kind of funny to watch human nature--we have a political commentator by the name of Glen Beck who was a self-proclaimed cocaine addict--alchoholic--womanizer--arrogant, crusty SOB for years--but yet he finds the church, changes his ways, marries a good woman, becomes a family man, does a few fireside chats with tears in his eyes and all the sudden he is the cats meow to most Mormons--he is one fine outstanding hunk of Mormon man--he will probably by his association with Mormonism will be the catlyst to persuade individuals to investigate the church and possibly convert--who knows?

But old Teddy who was trying to change his personal life for the good and seemed to be seeking for the light, especially the last several years of his life--well, we will have people within the church and without--that will still only judge him because of his drinking, womanizing and for driving off a bridge with Mary Jo, 40 years ago.
Was he wrong for not reporting the incident for more than 9 hours?--yes, dead wrong.
Did he try to do everything to save Mary Jo after the car went into the water? Only Ted Kennedy and God know that.
Did he drive of that bridge on purpose? Obviously he was impaired from alchohol which I know is not an exuse but a fact.

Try living with that for the rest of your life on your conscience--not real easy I'm sure.

[FlaviusHambonius]

Originally Posted by john doe

I wonder if one of the first people he sees is Mary Jo.

I wonder if some of the first people that the Apostle Paul beheld was the many Christians that he willingly persecuted?

[FlaviusHambonius]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

I really do fill for this man and where he is now in repaying those moments of mortality accounting.

If you really do 'feel' for this man don't worry about his accounting--worry about your own.

[FlaviusHambonius]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

It was done even while he was living. There is nothing good with this family or any person who caused more problems for others than to seek to do good without cost and honor from the world.

So nothing good came from the Kennedy family? i.e. if I'm understanding your statement correctly.
I suppose it's nice to have an opinion...but dead wrong....in my opinion.

[john doe]

Originally Posted by FlaviusHambonius

I wonder if some of the first people that the Apostle Paul beheld was the many Christians that he willingly persecuted?

The comparison is invalid. Paul turned to Christ and preached the gospel. Ted always expected the Catholic Church to fall in line with his views. The story I read was that the Vatican didn't even issue a statement with condolences for Ted's family.

[john doe]

Originally Posted by FlaviusHambonius

It's kind of funny to watch human nature--we have a political commentator by the name of Glen Beck who was a self-proclaimed cocaine addict--alchoholic--womanizer--arrogant, crusty SOB for years--but yet he finds the church, changes his ways, marries a good woman, becomes a family man, does a few fireside chats with tears in his eyes and all the sudden he is the cats meow to most Mormons--he is one fine outstanding hunk of Mormon man--he will probably by his association with Mormonism will be the catlyst to persuade individuals to investigate the church and possibly convert--who knows?

Maybe you haven't been paying attention. Many LDS, even here on this forum, have expressed great disdain or near hatred for Glenn Beck. They will happily dance on his grave when he dies.

[FlaviusHambonius]

Originally Posted by john doe

The comparison is invalid. Paul turned to Christ and preached the gospel. Ted always expected the Catholic Church to fall in line with his views. The story I read was that the Vatican didn't even issue a statement with condolences for Ted's family.

How is my point or comparison invalid?--what I was trying to put across was that both had wronged a person or persons--in Kennedy's case Mary Jo (which you brought up as the first person he might run in to in the afterlife) The same holds true for Paul who many consider the greatest Apostle--but the fact remains he wronged a group of people.

Yes Paul did indeed turn to Christ but after what? If I remember right God struck down Paul on a roadside and appeared to him.
I'm sure that if Kennedy had the same thing happen to him, he might have knocked the boozin and the womanizing off a lot sooner and perhaps the chappaquiddick tragedy would not have happened after an all night party.

The Kennedy's (most) believed in public service in different capacity's--serving their country--so maybe by serving their country and fellowman they believed it was serving a higher cause if it helped out their fellowman in some way.

I'm sure with all the turmoil and chaos associated with the Kennedys that Ted turned to Christ many times in his life--it has been said that he was a firm believer in redemption.
As far as him expecting the Catholic church to fall in line with his views--well I'm out of the loop on that one, although I find it kind of laughable.
It would sort of be akin to the Mormon Church falling into the views of Harry Reid--of course I'm guessing you might be talking about social issues and not doctrinal issues regarding Kennedy.

I find it quite pathetic of the Catholic Church if they have not sent condolences.

[FlaviusHambonius]

Originally Posted by john doe

Maybe you haven't been paying attention. Many LDS, even here on this forum, have expressed great disdain or near hatred for Glenn Beck. They will happily dance on his grave when he dies.

Yes apparently I have not--I just keep seeing his name popping up and I have not read any of the threads regarding Mr. Beck.
In fact I have not really been able to see much of Beck in the past or the present since I don't get his TV program--I have watched some of his stuff on youtube.

One clip showed him on 'The View' and how he had flat out lied to Barbara Waa Waa and Whoopie Goldberg involving an incident where they were all riding on a metro train and words were exchanged about some things.

Suffice it to say Beck admitted that he had lied.

I am suprised to hear that many LDS have expressed great disdain or near hatred for him or that they will happily dance on his grave. I'm sure that there are many in the faith that like him, just for the mere fact that he has seen the light.