Language:
Welcome Guest Login or Signup » LOGOUT

Go Back   LDS Mormon Forums > LDS.NET Popular Forums > Current Events
You are not logged into the site. Please login or signup.

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 06:09 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: United States -
Posts: 1,235
Thanks: 1,782
Thanked 318 Times in 214 Posts
Laughs: 2,110
Laughs at 248 Times in 156 Posts
Default Man Jailed for Blackmailing His Abuser

Man jailed for blackmailing pensioner who sexually abused him - Times Online

Here's what I totally object to

Quote:
Quote:
The blackmail victim, who was married at the time, was having an affair with Phillips’s mother when “mutual sexual activity” took place with the boy.
How can a 45 year old man have a “mutual sexual activity” with a 13 year old???

Quote:
The court heard that the pensioner had “run out of options” financially and the judge said that he must have been “at his wit’s end”.
Poor guy! To be blackmailed all these years by someone he sexually abused! The cruelty! The shame! What could the abuse victim possibly have been thinking???

EU people, is this common judicial practice over there? I know we have out share of bad judges in the USA but I can't remember any cases like this.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to talisyn For This Useful Post:
Loudmouth_Mormon (08-30-2009), Maxel (08-31-2009)
The Following User Laughed Out Loud when they read talisyn's Post:
Gillebre (08-31-2009)
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 06:42 PM
prisonchaplain's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: United States -
Age: 45
Posts: 7,498
Thanks: 799
Thanked 2,069 Times in 996 Posts
Laughs: 74
Laughs at 323 Times in 124 Posts
Default

They should have just called it even, and the abuser should have gone away from that deal smiling.
__________________
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -- Lord Acton
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to prisonchaplain For This Useful Post:
Loudmouth_Mormon (08-30-2009)
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 06:42 PM
Loudmouth_Mormon's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: United States -
Posts: 2,132
Thanks: 816
Thanked 1,433 Times in 743 Posts
Laughs: 131
Laughs at 400 Times in 150 Posts
Default

Well, if we're falling all over ourselves to sympathize with people who do bad things, perhaps we should look into the reasons why the guy molested the boy in the first place. Good odds, he was abused as a boy himself.

Perhaps it's easier to sympathize with malicious revenge than it is to sympathize with the multigenerational symptoms of child sex abuse at first glance, but if we're going to glance, we might as well take a good long look.

LM
__________________
If I were rich, I'd have the time that I lack, to sit in the synagogue and pray.
And maybe have a seat by the Eastern wall.
And I'd discuss the holy books with the learned men, several hours every day.
That would be the sweetest thing of all.

Ohhh....
If I were a rich man...
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 06:50 PM
prisonchaplain's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: United States -
Age: 45
Posts: 7,498
Thanks: 799
Thanked 2,069 Times in 996 Posts
Laughs: 74
Laughs at 323 Times in 124 Posts
Default

A grown man molests a 13 year old, enlisting his mother in the act. Get this...it's now the victim all alone in that house, with the abuser and the woman who bore him on the other side. Anger and bitterness--and all he did was siphon off a small percentage of the wealthy man's fortune? Does the blackmailer need to repent? OK, yes. 6 years in prison, while the abuser gets a slap on the wrist, and the promise that he'll get most of his money back??? If I had to be an attorney in this mess, yeah, I'd rather represent the blackmailer.
__________________
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -- Lord Acton
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to prisonchaplain For This Useful Post:
Loudmouth_Mormon (08-30-2009), Maxel (08-31-2009)
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 07:04 PM
Loudmouth_Mormon's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: United States -
Posts: 2,132
Thanks: 816
Thanked 1,433 Times in 743 Posts
Laughs: 131
Laughs at 400 Times in 150 Posts
Default

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not at all defending the abuser at all. Nor am I happy with someone molesting a 13 yr old getting a 'police caution'. (Our mortal probation and earthly systems of justice just make it impossible to nail someone for abusing a child 25 years after the fact.)

I'm just saying that if we're going to be extending sympathy to people for doing bad things, merely because they have suffered pain and injustice in the past, then we'd better dang well avoid being hypocrites, and extend it to everyone who has suffered pain.

LM
__________________
If I were rich, I'd have the time that I lack, to sit in the synagogue and pray.
And maybe have a seat by the Eastern wall.
And I'd discuss the holy books with the learned men, several hours every day.
That would be the sweetest thing of all.

Ohhh....
If I were a rich man...
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Loudmouth_Mormon For This Useful Post:
Just_A_Guy (08-30-2009)
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 07:40 PM
prisonchaplain's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: United States -
Age: 45
Posts: 7,498
Thanks: 799
Thanked 2,069 Times in 996 Posts
Laughs: 74
Laughs at 323 Times in 124 Posts
Default

I think we do. It's called "mitigating circumstances." The crime is still a crime, and the perpetrator is still guilty, but there is sometimes leniency in sentencing, due to such matters.
__________________
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -- Lord Acton
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to prisonchaplain For This Useful Post:
Loudmouth_Mormon (08-30-2009)
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 08:07 PM
Loudmouth_Mormon's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: United States -
Posts: 2,132
Thanks: 816
Thanked 1,433 Times in 743 Posts
Laughs: 131
Laughs at 400 Times in 150 Posts
Default

Fair enough. If it turns out that the abuser was himself abused as a child, does that count as a mitigating circumstance?
__________________
If I were rich, I'd have the time that I lack, to sit in the synagogue and pray.
And maybe have a seat by the Eastern wall.
And I'd discuss the holy books with the learned men, several hours every day.
That would be the sweetest thing of all.

Ohhh....
If I were a rich man...
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 09:30 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: United States -
Posts: 1,235
Thanks: 1,782
Thanked 318 Times in 214 Posts
Laughs: 2,110
Laughs at 248 Times in 156 Posts
Default

It means he should have stopped with himself, like countless others who have been abused as children do every day. 6 years seems extreme, especially considering the abused guy could have taken a crow bar to the abuser's head and got the same sentence.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2009, 09:42 PM
prisonchaplain's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: United States -
Age: 45
Posts: 7,498
Thanks: 799
Thanked 2,069 Times in 996 Posts
Laughs: 74
Laughs at 323 Times in 124 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loudmouth_Mormon View Post
Fair enough. If it turns out that the abuser was himself abused as a child, does that count as a mitigating circumstance?
Absolutely. How much is for judge or jury to decide. The case in the OP just seems so very skewed--the abuser seems to have gotten all the mitigating circumstances, whereas the victim appears to have had the proverbial book thrown at him.

To give an opposite example, near the University of Washington, there was an particular cluster of homes that the landlord intentionally rented out to released sex-offenders, who were part of an accountability program. She said that they were much better tenants than college students were, and having a cluster of safe homes to live in proved successful in preventing recidivism. A professor found out who was in the neighborhood, made a call to his bud, the Gov., and behold, the landlord was ordered to evict her tenants. In this case I absolutely side with the abusers (i.e. the tenants).
__________________
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -- Lord Acton
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to prisonchaplain For This Useful Post:
Loudmouth_Mormon (08-31-2009), Maxel (08-31-2009), talisyn (08-30-2009)
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 08-31-2009, 10:01 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: United States -
Age: 51
Posts: 656
Thanks: 23
Thanked 66 Times in 50 Posts
Laughs: 3
Laughs at 41 Times in 30 Posts
Default

At the risk of sounding very LIBERAL, I think the judge did the right thing. No matter how much I hate the molester, the statute of limitations had run out on the sex crime. Or maybe I am wrong, cause I don't know UK law.

Here is another thing that will make me sound very LIBERAL. If the sex crime had happened in the states, I think that the victim should have used the courts to "blackmail" the sex offender. He would have got more money and the (put your own profanity here) pervert would have been ruined.

I hate sex offenders so much, I think that I might have gotten off track from what my original point, is. Two wrongs don't make a right.
__________________
"No matter were you go - there you are". Buckaroo Bonzi

Now blogging at boyandoswildride.blogspot.com/

"It is not enough to know that God lives, that Jesus Christ is our
Savior, and that the gospel is true. We must take the high road by acting
upon that knowledge." Elder Dallon H. Oaks

"The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature."
--Ezra Taft Benson, "Born of God", Ensign, July 1989, 2
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
abuse, blackmail


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


New Posts


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0



TERMS & CONDITIONS | HELP | CONTACT US | INVITE | RSS FEEDS | ABOUT US | GET INVOLVED | ARCHIVE
*** LDS Mormon Community ***
More Good Foundation. All rights reserved.

Header art used by permission of Mark Mabry and Reflections of Christ.

LDS.Net is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon Church or LDS Church). The views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the position of the Church. The views expressed by individual users are the responsibility of those users and do not necessarily represent the position of the More Good Foundation. For the official Church websites, please visit LDS.org and Mormon.org.