How good is our government?

[Traveler]

I am just wondering - how many posters have speculated that there is a secret combination(s) operating inside our government and if you think recent events indicate that it has grown stronger or weaker.

The Traveler

[annewandering]

Not sure how you could not wonder. Frankly I wonder if there is not more than one. We havent seen assasinations like in the Book of Mormon yet. It would seem hard to prove if there are any though.

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by Traveler

I am just wondering - how many posters have speculated that there is a secret combination(s) operating inside our government and if you think recent events indicate that it has grown stronger or weaker.

The Traveler

Looking at H. Donl Peterson article, as the Lord unfolded the events in this last dispensation to him, Moroni recorded them upon the plates. The following list comprises Moroni's prophecies contained in the last three books within the Book of Mormon:

1. No one shall have the plates to get financial gain even though the plates contain a considerable amount of gold (Mormon 8:14).

2. Whoever brings the plates to light will be blessed of the Lord (vv 14, 15).

3. The golden plates shall be brought out of darkness and will shine forth by the power of God (v 26).

4. In the day the plates are revealed it will be taught that miracles are done away (v 26).

5. The plates shall come as one will speak from the dead (v 26).

6. The era in which the plates will come forth will be troubled by secret combinations and works of darkness (v 27).

7. The book will come forth at a time that the power of God is denied (v 28).

8. Churches will be defiled because of pride (v 28).

9. Church leaders and teachers will envy those who belong to their churches (Mormon 8:28-37).

10. There will be great destruction, e.g. fires, tempests and vapors of smoke, in foreign lands (v 29).

11. There will be wars and rumors of wars and earthquakes in divers locations (v 30).

12. There will be great pollutions upon the face of the earth, e.g., murders, robbing, lying, deceivings, whoredoms, and all manner of abominations. It will be taught that God will uphold such at the last day (v 31).

13. Sins will be forgiven for money (v 32).

14. Very fine apparel will be a mark of the day because of pride and all manner of iniquities (v 36).

15. Every church has become polluted because of pride (v 36).

16. They love their money, substance, fine apparel and the adorning of their churches more than they love the poor and they needy, the sick and afflicted (v 37).

17. When the Lord comes, the earth shall be rolled as a scroll and the elements shall melt with fervent heat (9:2).

18. "This is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage . . . captivity, and from all other nations . . . if they will serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ . . ." (Ether 2:12).

19. The future translator (Joseph Smith) may be privileged to "show the plates unto those who shall assist to bring forth this work" (5:1-5).

20. Three witnesses shall be shown the plates by the power of God (vv 1-5).

21. Three sets of witnesses, the three witnesses, the eight witnesses, and the Godhead, shall all stand as a testimony against the world at the last day who reject this work (v 4).

22. Whatever nation shall uphold secret combinations until they get power and gain and spread over that nation shall be destroyed (8:22).

23. Moroni prophesied of a specific wicked combination in the last days that would attempt to overthrow the freedom of all lands. It will bring to pass destruction (Ether 8:25).

24. The Lamanites shall receive the Holy Ghost (Moroni 10:1-7).

25. Moroni shall be at the judgment bar of God where God shall ask the world's inhabitants, "Did I not declare my words unto you, which were written by this man?" (Moroni 10:27).

It is significant to note how many prophecies are directly related to Moroni's continued service in the last days.

[georgia2]

It's a combination all right! not to secret though ! hahaha

[Traveler]

Is it generally believed (do you believe) that the righteous will be preserved from the evils of a secret combination in their government? Is there a danger if a member of such a society has a "high" position in our government? What do you think are the signs of such a person having power in government?

What are the expectations of our current representatives? Do you trust any party to look after your needs or do we need to change “something”.

The Traveler

[annewandering]

I trust me to look after my needs not some strange politician.
Problem with secret combinations is they are secret.
How do we tell if they are active in the government? Well one way would be assasinations.
Mostly I would think that the gadianton robbers would be more circumspect in their manuverings. It is hard to tell with politicians because the main clue would be the clammering for power but they, most all, are doing that.
The results probably tell us something. Is the government becoming more in the hands of certain groups? Is it getting farther away from the needs of the people? Does what happens and what we are told the same or very divergent? Is there disagreement in the media or are they all pushing the same information on us?
Do the politicians sway in the breeze and never seem to have a concrete idea of what they are doing? Especially if they didnt start out that way?
Good luck on trying to find them. With our technology etc it has to be pretty easy to hide where the power lies.