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11-06-2009, 12:11 AM
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FLDS Polygamist convicted of sexual assault
Polygamist convicted of sexual assault - FLDS hearings- msnbc.com
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11-06-2009, 10:58 AM
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I'd expect to see an appeal on evidentiary grounds. Moreover, my understanding is that the law under which Jessop was convicted was passed in 2005 (very shortly before the events here in question) as a direct consequence of the FLDS' arrival in Texas (previously the age was 14, IIRC). Will be interesting to see if this provokes a constitutional challenge.
It is ironic indeed that Jessop now faces 20 years in jail for doing something that would have been perfectly legal if he'd done it six months earlier.
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11-06-2009, 11:23 AM
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11-06-2009, 11:26 AM
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11-07-2009, 09:59 AM
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Warren Jeffs' appeal before the Utah Supreme Court was heard yesterday. Sum-up here.
Wally Bugden (Jeffs' lawyer in this case) came in to one of my classes in early 2008 and made more or less the same arguments, which I personally found persuasive.
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11-08-2009, 06:43 PM
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11-08-2009, 08:12 PM
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From what I gather, the AAG is throwing out a bit of a red herring here because what Jeffs was actually convicted of was "accomplice to rape". Traditionally that has meant--forgive the graphicness here--holding the girl down while another man does the deed, or something along those lines. I don't know what law Dupaix is quoting about individuals of special authority or trust; but whatever that law is--it it's not what Jeffs was charged under; and for Dupaix to quote it now is kind of a bait-and-switch.
On the facts as I understand them, Jeffs' behavior in this particular case was limited to 1) solemnizing the ceremony, and 2) in an individual counseling session, citing vaguely the Biblical scripture about wives submitting to husbands. This is not a case of Jeffs saying "you will be intimate on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, and your husband's birthday, except during your monthly cycle". It apparently isn't even a "lie back and think of England" sort of thing. It was just a "this is what the scripture says; apply it to your own life" scenario. Based on the conduct alone, it could as easily be a Mormon bishop (or even our own PrisonChaplain) on trial as it could be Jeffs. Utah convicted Jeffs for who he was, not for what he did. Which is silly, because I suspect he's done plenty--is this really all they can get him on?
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11-08-2009, 09:19 PM
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11-09-2009, 01:14 AM
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