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[Godless]

Talisyn beat me to it. Like all activists, Marx was a product of his times, and it's important to keep his work in the proper context. Many of his ideas regarding labor laws and property are outdated to us, but they were very relevant notions back in his day. Socialism was at its strongest during the Industrial Revolution, and the revolutionaries and unions who spoke for the oppressed working class played a crucial role in ending the horrifying conditions under which the poor lived and worked.

[Dravin]

And here was a chance to use my American History course I took and I'm to slow.

[OmahaLDS]

Originally Posted by ColorMEreal

I don't agree with these notable quotes by marx;

I owned a duplex for around 11 years. I worked myself to death at times to manage, clean, upgrade and rent out my duplex.

Did you read this in Marx or pull it from a quote list? I ask because the sentiment is neither original to Marx, nor is it unusual. Likewise it is not, in context, as you have portrayed.

You, and others, may be surprised to find that this is also included in Adam Smith's (father or modern capitalism) Wealth of Nations. It is another incredibly boring, but really required, reading if you want to understand political economy.

Smith said...

"As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce. The wood of the forest, the grass of the field, and all the natural fruits of the earth, which, when land was in common, cost the labourer only the trouble of gathering them, come, even to him, to have an additional price fixed upon them. He must then pay for the licence to gather them; and must give up to the landlord a portion of what his labour either collects or produces. This portion, or, what comes to the same thing, the price of this portion, constitutes the rent of land, and in the price of the greater part of commodities makes a third component part."

Adam Smith Wealth of Nations, Book 1, Chapter 6, Of the Component Parts of the Price of Commodities

The issue Marx had was not with your rent, but in the rent (read labor) required by serfs and holders on a land where the landlords will take in rent by virtue of their stations and not efforts. Marx had a problem when a Baron in Germany extracts blood, sweat, and tears from the peasants who work the fields because at some time in the past his family was given a region to rule.

Marx opposed serfdom and peasantry. Do you support either of these? If not, why do you oppose both Marx and Smith?

These Quote's below by Marx is a classic example of how Marxist individuals have a superior attitude towards religous individuals.

I know a lot of good, kind and fun loving people OF ALL RELIGIONS/FAITH'S that are not oppressed creature's in the very least. Am I to read such a quote and come away with a warm fuzzy feeling all over?????

The NEGATIVITY is INTOXICATINGto my soul...

Do you understand the context? Peasantry, serfdom, intolerance, prejudice, and servitude were enforced and justified by Christianity at the time. Have you ever read The Protestant Ethic? I think this was in there...

For example, to teach the "lazy" how to work in one of the Scandinavian countries ( I cannot remember which one) they were placed in a basement where water was pumped in. The "lazy" would then have to pump the water out, learning the error of their ways, or drown. This was justified by Christian sentiment at the time. As were debtors prisons, and other rather horrendous beliefs, actions, etc...

You should really understand what passed for religion in Marx's time before criticizing his opinion on religion. Keep in mind Marx was also Jewish, when Jews were not treated particularly well.

The man was exiled from his own country TWICE as can be read here in this quote taken from an interview with THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE;

Early Mormons were kicked out of their country too. Do you really think this is a valid statement?

There is a LOT more in context here you are missing.

[OmahaLDS]

Originally Posted by ColorMEreal

here are some corrections made by karl marx in his interview with the Chicago Tribune.

Their goes free speach, eh????

You are aware that Marx was actually looking to remove laws that limited free press?

"Expelled once again, this time by the Belgian government under the influence of the panic caused by the February revolution, Marx returned to Paris at the invitation of the French provisional government. The tidal wave of the revolution pushed all scientific pursuits into the background; what mattered now was to become involved in the movement. After having worked during those first turbulent days against the absurd notions of the agitators, who wanted to organise German workers from France as volunteers to fight for a republic in Germany, Marx went to Cologne with his friends and founded there the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, which appeared until June 1849 and which people on the Rhine still remember well today. The freedom of the press of 1848 was probably nowhere so successfully exploited as it was at that time, in the midst of a Prussian fortress, by that newspaper. After the government had tried in vain to silence the newspaper by persecuting it through the courts – Marx was twice brought before the assizes for an offence against the press laws and for inciting people to refuse to pay their taxes, and was acquitted on both occasions – it had to close at the time of the May revolts of 1849 when Marx was expelled on the pretext that he was no longer a Prussian subject, similar pretexts being used to expel the other editors. Marx had therefore to return to Paris, from where he was once again expelled and from where, in the summer of 1849, [about August 26 1849] he went to his present domicile in London."

Karl Marx Biography

Marx was pushing to remove press laws that limited free press.

Check out the right of women here in this his ninth correction;

He is pushing for labor laws to HELP women and children, not hurt them. Others here have addressed this.

Now let me ask a simple question. Who is being negative here? You or Marx?

You have repeatedly accused Marx of negativity, yes your accusations here are not only untrue, but really the reverse of what you claim. Your attitude towards Marx is decidedly negative, and to add insult to injury you are completely misrepresenting him.

[OmahaLDS]

Originally Posted by ColorMEreal

The Communist Manifesto

Which parts?

[john doe]

I'm closing this as it has nothing to do with the original intent of the OP.