Gay LDS Students From BYU Produce 'It Gets Better' Video

[carlimac]

Originally Posted by Soulsearcher

Well the link to the video was at the bottom of the article i think so you could watch it if you want and get the answer, though i have no clue what controntational is to be honest.

Confrontational. I fixed my typo. Look it up in the dictionary. Sorry. Didn't see the link before. I thought it wasn't being presented till today for the first time. I'll watch it later.

[carlimac]

It was sweet and heart-felt.

[mhsmd]

I saw the BYU It Gets Better video on facebook a while back, and I'm still not sure how I feel about it. I agree that some members of the church could stand to be more accepting of homosexuals; but I also think that the homosexual members of the church need to realize that we will always see homosexuality as a sin. It's not a sin to be tempted, but it is a sin to act upon that temptation. The video seemed to keep the temptation/sin line pretty blurry. The students seemed to be supporting homosexuality, though not openly supporting acting upon homosexuality. I would like to see a more accepting atmosphere at BYUI (it is disgusting here), but the church will never accept homosexuality as "okay". The approach that is being taken makes me uncomfortable, though I have always supported a loving approach with any sinner. Heck, we're all sinners. See Uchtdorf's talk this past General Conference.

[Just_A_Guy]

Question: Is the BYU "it gets better" crowd affiliated in any way with this guy?

[carlimac]

Originally Posted by Just_A_Guy

Question: Is the BYU "it gets better" crowd affiliated in any way with this guy?

The title of the video is the same so they must have gotten the idea from him. But they probably ought to rename the video and disassociate after this stunt.

I posted this gem on another thread. Unbelievable. Sounds like he lost his sense of reason ...or something. Who knows what?

[mhsmd]

Wow. That is incredibly stupid of him. Have people not learned that they will not win by oppressing the oppressor? It certainly doesn't make me want to respect him, or support his lifestyle. If he wants me to support his rights, he should certainly be expected to support mine. I hate hypocrisy very much.

[Soulsearcher]

Originally Posted by Just_A_Guy

Question: Is the BYU "it gets better" crowd affiliated in any way with this guy?

The thing being, and i don't support how he did it, he was trying to show two things. One was that like it or not the bible says things in places that some people don't believe was ever in the bible, and some of those things have changed. The fact that students that walked out didn't know that there was any acceptance of slavery in the bible was showing that as strong as faith is, if you are only repeating what you've heard from others then maybe you might want to investigate for yourself and that there have been minor changes in some stances over time. Second thing he was pointing out was sort of a "well how does it feel when it happens to you?" One poster speaks of hypocrisy, but really it wasn't, it was showing those who claim the moral high ground how it feels to go through what Savage has been fighting against and funny enough they didn't like it, showing even if you are even the least bit right about something you should still show compassion and empathy instead of a club. Again I'm not supporting or condoning how he did things at this particular event, but for the most part i do enjoy many of his efforts.

[carlimac]

Originally Posted by Soulsearcher

The thing being, and i don't support how he did it, he was trying to show two things. One was that like it or not the bible says things in places that some people don't believe was ever in the bible, and some of those things have changed. The fact that students that walked out didn't know that there was any acceptance of slavery in the bible was showing that as strong as faith is, if you are only repeating what you've heard from others then maybe you might want to investigate for yourself and that there have been minor changes in some stances over time. Second thing he was pointing out was sort of a "well how does it feel when it happens to you?" One poster speaks of hypocrisy, but really it wasn't, it was showing those who claim the moral high ground how it feels to go through what Savage has been fighting against and funny enough they didn't like it, showing even if you are even the least bit right about something you should still show compassion and empathy instead of a club. Again I'm not supporting or condoning how he did things at this particular event, but for the most part i do enjoy many of his efforts.

I don't believe what you're saying. He's got to be smarter than this. People who are genuine jerks do what he did and how he did it. There is never a good time to be crude, crass, and offensive- especially in a public speaking setting. He is not justified in any way. I would hope some kind of apology is forthcoming. Showing respect engenders more respect from others.

[Soulsearcher]

Originally Posted by carlimac

I don't believe what you're saying. He's got to be smarter than this. People who are genuine jerks do what he did and how he did it. There is never a good time to be crude, crass, and offensive- especially in a public speaking setting. He is not justified in any way. I would hope some kind of apology is forthcoming. Showing respect engenders more respect from others.

Except he's made a career out of being blunt and shocking lol. He gets things noticed and picks targets pretty carefully. he already knows he's got no friends on the religious and conservative fronts for the most part, so why cater to the ones who tend to be the ones taking similar shots. One thing to point out is the way you view his talk is the way many have viewed talks in general conference and from religious leaders. again i do agree he could have used more tact and understanding as well as compassion, but now you get a feeling of what somethings being said do to the other side.

[carlimac]

Well if he thinks that "It Gets Better" by being divisive, tearing down religion, attacking something he knows is sacred and using offensive language and generally making enemies, then I'm wondering what his definition of "better" is. It certainly isn't going to endear the religious community to his cause. And not only that, I'd say that he just knocked fence sitters onto the other side. As hard as you are trying to make it seem OK, there is absolutely no justification for this. None!

And after listening to the part of the video, he uses the same old tired examples of shellfish, slavery, virginity on the wedding night from the Bible to claim the Bible is wrong about homosexuality. He is showing his own sorry ignorance about the Bible, the cultural aspects of it and the fact that it is a documentary on life thousands of years ago. If he is a spokesperson for homosexuality saying the Bible is false, he better come up with something better than that. Maybe something like God saying it's OK for men to lie together.

I'm having a very hard time believing that you think anything the General Authorities have ever said, especially in conference is that directly offensive. Even in President Packer's remarks, he was speaking simple truth. It was the LGBT community that took it on and applied it to themselves, And THEN got all bent out of shape. This guy was directly attacking Christians, the GOP and ...I turned it off at that point. All I can say is he is someone to be pitied, not respected in any way.