Ahmadinejad To Speak At Columbia

Dror · #1 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 12:15 PM

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What do you say, is Columbia University wrong to allow the Ahmadine-"jerk" to speak?

[Sorry about the name-calling, but I have a serious problem with anti-Jewish Holocaust deniers who support blowing Israel off the map.]

Josie · #2 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 01:20 PM

I am just glad they are not allowing him to go to Ground Zero, like he wanted to do. He has no business over here, PERIOD!!!! Unless we want to put him in jail and throw away the key!

Josie (imo)

sixpacktr · #3 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 02:19 PM

All I can say is 'how Ivy League' of them to allow him.

In today's world, Chamberlain would be hailed as the conquering hero as we sought to 'understand' Hitler...But we don't learn the lessons of the past. That is too 'melodramatic' nowadays...

Jason · #4 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 02:45 PM

My understanding is not that he said the Holocaust never happened, but that it was not on the scale that has been reported (more like 2 million rather than 6 million). As for Israel, he is not asking for the death of the people but for the elimination of the government, to return it to a Palestianian state.

Really, it's not that big of a deal.

sixpacktr · #5 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 02:53 PM

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My understanding is not that he said the Holocaust never happened, but that it was not on the scale that has been reported (more like 2 million rather than 6 million). As for Israel, he is not asking for the death of the people but for the elimination of the government, to return it to a Palestianian state.

Really, it's not that big of a deal.
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I'll have to check that out for verification. I had heard that he had stated those things.

But really, do you believe that someone that runs a Shia state like this guy really doesn't want to get rid of Jews? I find that hard to believe, but I could be wrong...

Jason · #6 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 03:32 PM

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My understanding is not that he said the Holocaust never happened, but that it was not on the scale that has been reported (more like 2 million rather than 6 million). As for Israel, he is not asking for the death of the people but for the elimination of the government, to return it to a Palestianian state.

Really, it's not that big of a deal.
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I'll have to check that out for verification. I had heard that he had stated those things.

But really, do you believe that someone that runs a Shia state like this guy really doesn't want to get rid of Jews? I find that hard to believe, but I could be wrong...
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I don't think he wants to destroy all Jews. If you avoid the standard media talk, and read the letters he's written to heads of state, he presents a different picture.

I'm not saying the guy is a Saint, but I think he's been given somewhat of a bad rap.

http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/

sixpacktr · #7 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 03:52 PM

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My understanding is not that he said the Holocaust never happened, but that it was not on the scale that has been reported (more like 2 million rather than 6 million). As for Israel, he is not asking for the death of the people but for the elimination of the government, to return it to a Palestianian state.

Really, it's not that big of a deal.
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I'll have to check that out for verification. I had heard that he had stated those things.

But really, do you believe that someone that runs a Shia state like this guy really doesn't want to get rid of Jews? I find that hard to believe, but I could be wrong...
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I don't think he wants to destroy all Jews. If you avoid the standard media talk, and read the letters he's written to heads of state, he presents a different picture.

I'm not saying the guy is a Saint, but I think he's been given somewhat of a bad rap.

http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
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Do I read that backwards and upside down, kind of like a 'Stairway to Heaven' thing?

Dror · #8 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 07:20 PM

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My understanding is not that he said the Holocaust never happened, but that it was not on the scale that has been reported (more like 2 million rather than 6 million). As for Israel, he is not asking for the death of the people but for the elimination of the government, to return it to a Palestianian state.

Really, it's not that big of a deal.
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Given that from ancient times until after WWII, the Jews did not have a homeland and so depended entirely on the benevolence of whatever government they were living under, and that more often than not people distrusted or disliked them and so the Jews were frequently persecuted and driven from country to country, I would say it is a big deal that Ahmadinejad wants to take away their sovereignty! How many Muslim countries are there? Why should they not tolerate the Jews having their own country?

And ignoring 4 million deaths is also a big deal.

Mahdi · #9 (**permalink**) 09-23-2007, 05:53 AM

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News Story

What do you say, is Columbia University wrong to allow the Ahmadine-"jerk" to speak?

[Sorry about the name-calling, but I have a serious problem with anti-Jewish Holocaust deniers who support blowing Israel off the map.]
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<div align="center">In the name oh Allah</div>
Well Dror, mybe you are disagree of freedom.Everyone can say his belief.We should tolerate others and think about their belief wether it is right or wrong and also you shouldn't mocke others.It is against of Religion's teachings in every religions also in Islam.As one of my friend "Jason" said,If you read his site you will know him better .

Fiannan · #10 (**permalink**) 09-23-2007, 06:13 AM

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My understanding is not that he said the Holocaust never happened, but that it was not on the scale that has been reported (more like 2 million rather than 6 million). As for Israel, he is not asking for the death of the people but for the elimination of the government, to return it to a Palestianian state.

Really, it's not that big of a deal.
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I'll have to check that out for verification. I had heard that he had stated those things.

But really, do you believe that someone that runs a Shia state like this guy really doesn't want to get rid of Jews? I find that hard to believe, but I could be wrong...
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Unlike some of the Arab states Iran never expelled its Jewish community after the formation of Israel. There are around 20 thousand Jews living in Iran and at least one elected member of their parliament is a Jew.

Also, how many Iranians were involved in 9-11? Absolutely none. Bin Laden hates Shia Muslims as much as he hates infidels. Ironically, Iranians have to jump through all kinds of hurdles to visit or work in the USA while the US government puts out the red carpet for Saudi citizens (the government that funds most radical mosques around the world and encourages the Wahhabi philosophy for all Muslims).

Iran probably went full scale for gaining nuclear weapons after seeing Bill Clinton violate international law and bomb Serbia in the 1990s. Clinton would never have targeted a little country if the Serbs had had nukes -- or if they had contributed to his re-election campain I suppose. Iran realizes that the US might again violate international law and go after them so it is not only reasonable but, from an Iranian perspective it would be criminal if their leaders did not put their citizen's protection first and do their best to develop nuclear weapons to offset the US threat.