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			<title><![CDATA[A real "Inconvenient Truth"]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:15:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails - Biology | Astronomy | Chemistry | Physics - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html)

I was reading this article today and found it very interesting.

Lets do what we can to be good stewards of the planet but lets not lie to get gain or put ourselves in a better light.

Ben Raines]]></description>
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I was reading this article today and found it very interesting.<br />
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Lets do what we can to be good stewards of the planet but lets not lie to get gain or put ourselves in a better light.<br />
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			<title>Elizabeth Smart</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:22:11 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[On Oct. 1, Elizabeth Smart testified against her accused kidnapper, Brian David Mitchell, during a competency hearing, providing several details about her nine months in captivity.

Remaining calm and composed throughout her entire testimony, Smart described Mitchell as "smart," "evil," "manipulative," and "not close to God."  Mitchell was not in the courtroom while she testified but watched the proceedings via audio/video feed.

Smart's testimony is critical to the federal case against Mitchell because he has twice been found incompetent for trial in Utah state court.  Her testimony will be used during Mitchell's federal competency hearing on Nov. 30.  Smart will not be present for that hearing because she will be entering the Missionary Training Center in mid-November to prepare for a mission in Paris, France.  (article in LDSLiving).

Just thought I would share this article -- when I read it last night all I could say was, 'WOW, you go girl!':D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>On Oct. 1, Elizabeth Smart testified against her accused kidnapper, Brian David Mitchell, during a competency hearing, providing several details about her nine months in captivity.<br />
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Remaining calm and composed throughout her entire testimony, Smart described Mitchell as &quot;smart,&quot; &quot;evil,&quot; &quot;manipulative,&quot; and &quot;not close to God.&quot;  Mitchell was not in the courtroom while she testified but watched the proceedings via audio/video feed.<br />
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Smart's testimony is critical to the federal case against Mitchell because he has twice been found incompetent for trial in Utah state court.  Her testimony will be used during Mitchell's federal competency hearing on Nov. 30.  Smart will not be present for that hearing because she will be entering the Missionary Training Center in mid-November to prepare for a mission in Paris, France.  (article in LDSLiving).<br />
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Just thought I would share this article -- when I read it last night all I could say was, 'WOW, you go girl!':D</div>

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			<title>Conservative Artist. Who knew?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:03:47 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Who let a conservative any were near a paint brush?
McNaughton Fine Art (http://mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom?artpiece_id=353)</description>
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<a href="http://mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom?artpiece_id=353" target="_blank">McNaughton Fine Art</a></div>

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			<title>Ending poverty, the liberal way.</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:28:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>An interesting theory. 

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>An interesting theory. <br />
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<a href="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967" target="_blank">http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...asp?grpid=6967</a></div>

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			<title>Mammogram Recommendations Draw Widespread Anger</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:54:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Is this beginning of health care rationing? Ladies, how do you feel about this? (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/OnCallPlusBreastCancerNews/mammogram-recommendations-meet-widespread-rejection/story?id=9109591)


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New guidelines saying women between the ages of 40 and 50 should not receive mammograms to screen for breast cancer have met a groundswell of rejection from many medical centers, breast cancer survivors and numerous doctors -- some of whom have advised their patients to ignore the recommendation
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			<title>Is America at war, or not?</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:40:54 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Back when America had a backbone (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116268)


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When Maj. Andre, the British spy and collaborator of Benedict Arnold, was captured, he got a military tribunal, after which he was hanged. When Gen. Andrew Jackson captured two British subjects in Spanish Florida aiding renegade Indians, Jackson had both tried and hanged on the spot.
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			<title><![CDATA[Those "Zany Christians"]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:42:20 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[The "lame"stream media is going all out making the point that the shootings at Fort Hood had nothing to do with terrorism or the Islam faith. One newman?? went so far as to say there are "plenty of zany Christians our there" also.
So while we're out and about today we had better be vigilant and watch out for those "Zany Christian Suicide Bombers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The &quot;lame&quot;stream media is going all out making the point that the shootings at Fort Hood had nothing to do with terrorism or the Islam faith. One newman?? went so far as to say there are &quot;plenty of zany Christians our there&quot; also.<br />
So while we're out and about today we had better be vigilant and watch out for those &quot;Zany Christian Suicide Bombers.</div>

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			<title>The new math</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:11:36 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've only been retired from the classroom for five months, but already I don't understand the new math. It goes something like this:

1.Nearly half a million dollars  of stimulus was funneled to a school system in North Chicago. We were told that money saved 473 teaching jobs. The Chicago Tribune, which is no friend to the Republican Party or the conservative cause, investigated and found the school district employed only 290 teachers.

2. We were told in Febuary if the stimulus bill was not passed unemployment would surge to 8.7 percent. It was passed. Unemployment is now 10.2 percent and expected to go higher.

3. President Obama was to bring new hope to the country. (Everytime a Democrat is elected he is to bring new hope to the country. The same was said about Carter and "The Man From Hope" Clinton) I'm beginning to wonder if the hope is that they can elect someone that has some personal morals and knows how to govern. An approval rating of minus 12 doesn't give me much hope.

I guess I'll have to take a refresher course in math. I hear us oldtimers can audit a class for free in Ohio.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've only been retired from the classroom for five months, but already I don't understand the new math. It goes something like this:<br />
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1.Nearly half a million dollars  of stimulus was funneled to a school system in North Chicago. We were told that money saved 473 teaching jobs. The Chicago Tribune, which is no friend to the Republican Party or the conservative cause, investigated and found the school district employed only 290 teachers.<br />
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2. We were told in Febuary if the stimulus bill was not passed unemployment would surge to 8.7 percent. It was passed. Unemployment is now 10.2 percent and expected to go higher.<br />
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3. President Obama was to bring new hope to the country. (Everytime a Democrat is elected he is to bring new hope to the country. The same was said about Carter and &quot;The Man From Hope&quot; Clinton) I'm beginning to wonder if the hope is that they can elect someone that has some personal morals and knows how to govern. An approval rating of minus 12 doesn't give me much hope.<br />
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I guess I'll have to take a refresher course in math. I hear us oldtimers can audit a class for free in Ohio.</div>

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			<title>Threats against President putting Secret Service under strain</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:37:01 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Secret Service under strain as leaders face more threats - The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/10/18/secret_service_under_strain_as_leaders_face_more_threats/)

This is really scary.</description>
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This is really scary.</div>

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			<title>N.Y. Governor: Sept. 11 Trial a Bad Idea</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bad idea? I think so..... (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/17/ny-governor-sept-trial-bad-idea/?test=latestnews)



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The government's plan to put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four others accused of masterminding the 9/11 attacks on trial in Manhattan is a bad idea, Gov. Paterson said today.
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			<title>Sex infections still growing in U.S., says CDC</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:13:34 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Sex infections still growing in the U.S., says CDC (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5AF14A20091116?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11604&sp=true) 
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			<title><![CDATA[Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:07:38 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Created or saved....and made up!!!!! From ABC..... (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jobs-saved-created-congressional-districts-exist/story?id=9097853)


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Here's a stimulus success story: In Arizona's 15th congressional district, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that's what the Web site set up by the Obama administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.
Share
Discrepancies on government web site call into question stimulus spending.

There's one problem, though: There is no 15th congressional district in Arizona; the state has only eight districts.
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				Here's a stimulus success story: In Arizona's 15th congressional district, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that's what the Web site set up by the Obama administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.<br />
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			<title>Men file abuse suits against LDS Church, Boy Scouts</title>
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			<title>Nice Profile of Ambassador Huntsman in China</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:39:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>. . . here (http://www.newsweek.com/id/223058).

It looks like this appointment is working out well for everyone concerned.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>. . . <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/223058" target="_blank">here</a>.<br />
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It looks like this appointment is working out well for everyone concerned.</div>

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			<title>Renouncing Islam: To the Brink and Back Again</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:30:37 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[_Renouncing Islam: To the Brink and Back Again_ (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/renouncing-islamism-to-the-brink-and-back-again-1821215.html)
by Johan Hari
 
Hari is an expert in the jihad movement in Britain. Recently he has discovered a new trend: A move by some Muslim jihadists--away from jihad. According to Hari:

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But then, a year ago, I began to hear about a fragile new movement that could just hold the answers we journalists have failed to find up to now. A wave of young British Islamists who trained to fight – who cheered as their friends bombed this country – have recanted. Now they are using everything they learned on the inside, to stop the jihad. 
 
Seventeen former radical Islamists have "come out" in the past 12 months and have begun to fight back. Would they be able to tell me the reasons that pulled them into jihadism, and out again? Could they be the key to understanding – and defusing – Western jihadism? I have spent three months exploring their world and befriending their leading figures. Their story sprawls from forgotten English seaside towns to the jails of Egypt's dictatorship and the icy mountains of Afghanistan – and back again.
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Here Hari provides some insight into what turns a British Muslim into an extreme Islamist:

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But once they had made that leap to identify with the Umma [one of the Muslims denouncing jihad] – the global Muslim community – they got angrier the more abusive our foreign policy came. Every one of them said the Bush administration's response to 9/11  (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20120a6a3b977970b-popup)– from Guantanamo to Iraq – made jihadism seem more like an accurate description of the world. Hadiya Masieh, a tiny female former HT organiser, tells me: "You'd see Bush on the television building torture camps and bombing Muslims and you think – anything is justified to stop this. What are we meant to do, just stand still and let him cut our throats?" 
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Britain's foreign policy also helped tug them towards Islamism in another way. Once these teenagers decided to go looking for a harder, tougher Islamist identity, they found a well-oiled state machine waiting to feed it. Usman Raja says: "Saudi literature is everywhere in Britain, and it's free. 
 
When I started exploring my Muslim identity, when I was looking for something more, all the books were Saudi. In the bookshops, in the libraries. All of them. Back when I was fighting, I could go and get a car, open the boot up, and get it filled up with free literature from the Saudis, saying exactly what I believed. Who can compete with that?" 
 
He says the Saudi message is particularly comforting to disorientated young Muslims in the West. "It tells you – you're in this state of sin. But the sin doesn't belong to you, it's not your fault – it's Western society's fault. It isn't your fault that you're sinning, because the girl had the miniskirt on. It wasn't you. It's not your fault that you're drug dealing. The music, your peers, the people around you – it's their fault."
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One of the reason that persuaded these former jihadists to reject the hate a violence was all of the Westerners who came out against the violence against Muslims, including the huge protests against the Iraq war, and demonstrations against torturing Muslims.

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But the converse was – they stressed – also true. When they saw ordinary Westerners trying to uphold human rights, their jihadism began to stutter. Almost all of them said that they doubted their Islamism when they saw a million non-Muslims march in London to oppose the Iraq War: "How could we demonise people who obviously opposed aggression against Muslims?" asks Hadiya.
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Just as their journeys into the jihad were strikingly similar, so were their journeys out. All of them said doubt began to seep in because they couldn't shake certain basic realities from their minds. The first and plainest was that ordinary Westerners were not the evil, Muslim-hating cardboard kaffir presented by the Wahabis. Usman, for one, finally stopped wanting to be a suicide bomber because of the kindness of an old white man.
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Currently there are only 17 ex-jihadists that have come out, but Hari insists there are more who are afraid what will happen to them if they come out as well. So while their numbers are not great, could it be a start?
 
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by Johan Hari<br />
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Hari is an expert in the jihad movement in Britain. Recently he has discovered a new trend: A move by some Muslim jihadists--away from jihad. According to Hari:<br />
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				But then, a year ago, I began to hear about a fragile new movement that could just hold the answers we journalists have failed to find up to now. A wave of young British Islamists who trained to fight – who cheered as their friends bombed this country – have recanted. Now they are using everything they learned on the inside, to stop the jihad. <br />
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Seventeen former radical Islamists have &quot;come out&quot; in the past 12 months and have begun to fight back. Would they be able to tell me the reasons that pulled them into jihadism, and out again? Could they be the key to understanding – and defusing – Western jihadism? I have spent three months exploring their world and befriending their leading figures. Their story sprawls from forgotten English seaside towns to the jails of Egypt's dictatorship and the icy mountains of Afghanistan – and back again.
			
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</div>Here Hari provides some insight into what turns a British Muslim into an extreme Islamist:<br />
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				But once they had made that leap to identify with the Umma [one of the Muslims denouncing jihad] – the global Muslim community – they got angrier the more abusive our foreign policy came. Every one of them said the Bush <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20120a6a3b977970b-popup" target="_blank">administration's response to 9/11 </a>– from Guantanamo to Iraq – made jihadism seem more like an accurate description of the world. Hadiya Masieh, a tiny female former HT organiser, tells me: &quot;You'd see Bush on the television building torture camps and bombing Muslims and you think – anything is justified to stop this. What are we meant to do, just stand still and let him cut our throats?&quot; <br />
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Britain's foreign policy also helped tug them towards Islamism in another way. Once these teenagers decided to go looking for a harder, tougher Islamist identity, they found a well-oiled state machine waiting to feed it. Usman Raja says: &quot;Saudi literature is everywhere in Britain, and it's free. <br />
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When I started exploring my Muslim identity, when I was looking for something more, all the books were Saudi. In the bookshops, in the libraries. All of them. Back when I was fighting, I could go and get a car, open the boot up, and get it filled up with free literature from the Saudis, saying exactly what I believed. Who can compete with that?&quot; <br />
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He says the Saudi message is particularly comforting to disorientated young Muslims in the West. &quot;It tells you – you're in this state of sin. But the sin doesn't belong to you, it's not your fault – it's Western society's fault. It isn't your fault that you're sinning, because the girl had the miniskirt on. It wasn't you. It's not your fault that you're drug dealing. The music, your peers, the people around you – it's their fault.&quot;
			
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</div>One of the reason that persuaded these former jihadists to reject the hate a violence was all of the Westerners who came out against the violence against Muslims, including the huge protests against the Iraq war, and demonstrations against torturing Muslims.<br />
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				But the converse was – they stressed – also true. When they saw ordinary Westerners trying to uphold human rights, their jihadism began to stutter. Almost all of them said that they doubted their Islamism when they saw a million non-Muslims march in London to oppose the Iraq War: &quot;How could we demonise people who obviously opposed aggression against Muslims?&quot; asks Hadiya.<br />
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Just as their journeys into the jihad were strikingly similar, so were their journeys out. All of them said doubt began to seep in because they couldn't shake certain basic realities from their minds. The first and plainest was that ordinary Westerners were not the evil, Muslim-hating cardboard kaffir presented by the Wahabis. Usman, for one, finally stopped wanting to be a suicide bomber because of the kindness of an old white man.
			
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</div>Currently there are only 17 ex-jihadists that have come out, but Hari insists there are more who are afraid what will happen to them if they come out as well. So while their numbers are not great, could it be a start?<br />
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