Free Innocent FLDS Children Now!

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by kona0197

Not cool.

He is entitled to like any author he chooses. As far as I know, Battlefield Earth is still in print.





Back to the subject, any more news from Texas?


.

[kona0197]

Sorry. I thought you meant that Romney supported Scientology.

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

The US government thought the same thing of the LDS Church in the 19th. Century. They thought placing a military outpost filled with dashing single men would lure these poor women out of this horrible cult. Didn't have any effect whatsoever.

This never happened. Ever. This is classic Fiannan.

Originally Posted by MyDogSkip

Fiannan...Please explain this is greater detail...Since my ancestors were in that initial meeting on April 6, 1830...your historical reference doesn't quite match up with mine.

I'd be interested in discussing this further with you.

Good luck.

Fiannan won't be able to discuss it because, again, it never happened. Do me a favor, and keep asking him for a reference.

Originally Posted by Fiannan

Check out the history of the Utah Territories in the mid 1800s.

Case and point. You asked for a reference and he gave you what is essentially a non-reference, and in doing so, expects you to find the "reference" for yourself. Classic Fiannan.

For those on this thread so enamored of Fiannan, don't be quite so gullible. Ask him to prove what he says, and don't accept vague references.

Personally, I would not believe a word he said if his tongue came notarized.

Elphaba

[pam]

Originally Posted by Elphaba

This never happened. Ever. This is classic Fiannan.

Good luck.

Fiannan won't be able to discuss it because, again, it never happened. Do me a favor, and keep asking him for a reference.

Case and point. You asked for a reference and he gave you what is essentially a non-reference, and in doing so, expects you to find the "reference" for yourself. Classic Fiannan.

For those on this thread so enamored of Fiannan, don't be quite so gullible. Ask him to prove what he says, and don't accept vague references.

Personally, I would not believe a word he said if his tongue came notarized.

Elphaba

[Fiannan]

Oh Elphaba, leaving yourself open again. Oh well.

On the points you attacked me on:

Military presence in Utah:

Utah Expedition

Military outposts were abandoned once the Civil War became a reality.

Point #2:

Not able to discuss specifics since Skip replied to a long post by just saying his ancestors were somewhere without dealing with any specific fact. Ball was in Sip's court and here you were looking for it in mine?

Point #3:

Say what? Again, I commented that the US government and a large segment of the US population threw the same chastizements against the LDS Church in the 19th. Century as are being thrown at the FLDS today. Well duh, anyone with any knowledge of Utah history knows that. What, the next time someone ways that a lot of innocent people died in WW2 you'll call for their names and citizenships?

Point#4: Your insult. Oh you know I forgive you. Good metaphore though...think I'll use it on another forum where I can discuss presidential candidates -- thanks!

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by pam

Thanks Pam, glad so see when moderators see put downs as funny when other posters get banned for less.

[Fiannan]

I'm going to assume, that you're a fairly recent convert to the Church...and from your view of Psychology...you might have at one time in your life, held L. Ron Hubbard in high esteem....bwahahahahahaha...Just messin wid ya....

Nah, everything I know about Mormonism I learned from Battlestar Galactica!

Seriously, I am not a recent convert because if I was I probably would not be defending polygamy to this degree. When I joined the Church long ago I, like most people, believed the Bible was anti-polygamy. I just felt that there was something, some quirk, that allowed some people in the Church to practice it in the 19th. Century. Then I started reading speeches in the Journal of Discourses (I have to thank the anti Mormons in my life for introducing me to these wonderful and intellectual writings). When I read speeches by the early prophets I was impressed to research and found what they were saying to be both in line with Christian principles as well as with my views on science, society, etc.

Now as for your psychology comment, from what I understand the Scientologists hate modern psychology. So I would rather doubt John Travolta or Tom Cruz would ever quote Freud or Adler.

[Moksha]

Military presence in Utah:

Utah Expedition

What about the claim of dashing single soldiers to lure away the polygamist wives?

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by Moksha

What about the claim of dashing single soldiers to lure away to polygamist wives?

Something I read about in a...BOOK a few years back in our institute library dealing with the Utah Wars. Of course, that was not the total intent but some congressman commenting on the advantages of setting up outposts in Mormon areas. They too believed Mormons had these women trapped and if given the first opportunity they would leave their "slavery" and join American civilization again.

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

Oh Elphaba, leaving yourself open again. Oh well.

I've posted your original comment below which I have challenged. It is also the only claim I have discussed in my posts.

Originally Posted by Fiannan

They [US government] thought placing a military outpost filled with dashing single men would lure these poor women out of this horrible cult. Emphasis mine.

As I stated before, this is not true. I also stated you would not be able to provide credible proof it was true.

Your most recent post to me has proven me right. The following are my responses to your post:

On the points you attacked me on:
Military presence in Utah:
Utah Expedition

How does this link prove the US sent "dashing single men" to Utah outposts to lure Utah woman away. There is nothing even close to your assertion in this article.

Military outposts were abandoned once the Civil War became a reality.

How does this prove the US sent "dashing single men" to the outposts to lure Utah women to them?

Point #2:

Not able to discuss specifics since Skip replied to a long post by just saying his ancestors were somewhere without dealing with any specific fact. Ball was in Sip's court and here you were looking for it in mine?

How do these comments prove the US sent "dashing single men" to Utah outposts?

Point #3:

Say what? Again, I commented that the US government and a large segment of the US population threw the same chastizements against the LDS Church in the 19th. Century as are being thrown at the FLDS today. Well duh, anyone with any knowledge of Utah history knows that. What, the next time someone ways that a lot of innocent people died in WW2 you'll call for their names and citizenships?

How does this prove the US sent "dashing single men" to Utah, in the 19th century, to lure women away.

I'll stop now as I think my point is made. You are wont to write posts, often provocative ones that make wild claims. Yet when asked for credible proof of your comments, you provide useless links, blame other people for your inability to provide the proof, and use diversions, shifting the conversation to other issues that have nothing to do with the subject of the discussion.

But you never provide the credible proof. That is because you never have any.

I hope others see how they need to be wary of Fiannan's claims.

Elphaba