Free Innocent FLDS Children Now!

[Traveler]

Too bad this is playing out in the press. It would seem that a good number of these innocent children (girls 13 to 17) are pregnant. Not much different than the rest of society.

The Traveler

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Originally Posted by Fiannan

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[B]Nah, everything I know about Mormonism I learned from Battlestar Galactica!

So then your favorite hymn must be "If you could Hie to Kobol"

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[QUOTE=Moksha;191509]He is entitled to like any author he chooses. As far as I know, Battlefield Earth is still in print.





I wonder if there's a Mission on Psyclo...yet????


That reminds me...several years ago, the Los Angeles City Council renamed a dead end street next to the Hollywood Celebrity Centre(a hang for rich scientologists) after the late L. Ron Hubbard...I quiped to the editor of the Los Angeles Times...Well...looky there...LA got it's first Cult de Sac.....

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Originally Posted by Fiannan

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Now as for your psychology comment, from what I understand the Scientologists hate modern psychology. So I would rather doubt John Travolta or Tom Cruz would ever quote Freud or Adler.

I just noticed that...(I've been a little out of pocket this past week)...Frankly...I prefer the works of Wilhelm Reich to others......

[Over43]

If children are being bred then I think something should be done. (And has been done.)

If a guy and several women of age decide that polygamy is for them then that is their business. Hugh Hefner sleeps in the same bed with 3-4 women who are 60 years younger than him and he's an icon. I'm not sure why one situation is condemned and the other celebrated?

Personally I find both examples something I wouldn't (don't) care for.

But having worked with youth for almost 20 years, the most messed up kids you see are the ones who have been physically and sexually abused. No sympathy here.

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[kona0197]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Too bad this is playing out in the press. It would seem that a good number of these innocent children (girls 13 to 17) are pregnant. Not much different than the rest of society.

The Traveler

Exactly. Why are we still discussing this topic then? Time to move on.

[lisajo]

I find it rather odd that the original poster of this thread bailed on it right away! i know in other sites some one who posts something contraversial and bails then lurks to see what happens ....... not only gets a kick out of the rise it gives but is also can be called a troll............just my thoughts is all.

[Moksha]

Is there anything askew, in that 59% of the teen girls from 14 to 17 have been or are now pregnant?

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by Moksha

Is there anything askew, in that 59% of the teen girls from 14 to 17 have been or are now pregnant?

If we use the same criteria of Planned Parenthood (that any female who gives birth prior to being 20 years of age plus 9 months) is counted as a teen pregnancy what was the teen pregnancy rate for the United States in 1950 (first birth that is)?

Again, read Stein on this one:

What Did The FLDS Kids Do To Deserve This?, Ben Stein Says Texas Authorities Are Acting Like The Gestapo By Taking Away The Children Of A Mormon Sect - CBS News

the reason this topic is not going to go away is due to the government overstepping its bounds. Look, Randy Weaver may have had some rather unconventional ideas but the federal government so overstepped its authority that even though a federal agent got killed Weaver got off the charge of murder and was awarded monetary damages for the government murdering his wife and son. More info here:

All about Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge, by David Lohr

[rosie321]

I take your quote to mean that the claims against the polygamist group are correct because of the statistic you posted?

Is there anything askew, in that 59% of the teen girls from 14 to 17 have been or are now pregnant?

My response is yes there is something askew. There are 41% who are not/have not been pregnant yet these results are being used as propoganda to make up for the states incompotence.

If we are to believe what we are being told that this groups sole focus is to force girls to become pregnant and that no choice is given why is this percentage not higher say 85% or more ? This group must not be as determined and controlling as we were led to believe by people outside Perhaps even there is some truth to the claims being made that girls did have a choice. They were not forced.

These girls are raised in a society that provides a close network and family. Family, as defined by this community, is a value to them. It would be understandable why the girls would be eager to obtain their own family. It is something important to their culture. Their culture might be sheltered, protected and different then ours but I don't believe that is troubling in and of itself.

What is troubling to me is the statistic that 100% of these children were taken from their homes by gunpoint and tanks, soley on the basis of 1 person who is believed to not exist. These girls are the only "proof" at this point that the state has.

Most heartbreaking to me is that no one can guarantee what will happen to the children in the foster care system. The states record is nothing to brag about. Yet they are seperating these kids and spreading them throughout the state in the system from a sheltered and nurturing culture to unfamiliar places throughout the state. We are to believe this is for their good? These children will face much more trauma through the system at this point then whatever they would have experienced in the compound. There have been a number of professionals working on this matter as well as the media who have agreed with this sentiment. (Their statements are pretty easy to find).


The statistics in the "compound of Texas" and through cities in the U.S. aren't very good when it comes to teenage pregnancy and crimes against our youth. Look them up. Once you do please answer- Why aren't all impregnated teenagers and their siblings put into foster care and their parents brought up on charges for allowing it to happen? Why aren't others brought up on charges-ie the Catholic priests & school teachers who have done worse things and have gotten away with little to no punishment at all? This stuff happens all the time in our country.

My only comfort in this comes from the revelation given to Joseph Smith in D&C 122. (Though I don't believe people a right to commit such evil acts as a way to teach and give experience). I like the reminder given to Joseph that Christ knows what we are going through and overcame all the evil that could be done to him.

May the Lord watch and protect those children from all evil is my prayer

To think I had planned to not post anymore on this topic.