Free Innocent FLDS Children Now!

[rosie321]

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Bob weighs in on the Miley Controversy



I must ask, when will the parents of the young stars and their agents face the same fate as the polygamist parents? They clearly exploit their children for monetary gain and legally prostitute them out to the camera for a few dollars. Miley is only 15. Sick is sick.

I truly can't understand the double standard people hold. Why is there not more outrage? Why hasn't any one tried to save her?

Stuff that happens for entertainment is acceptable and that which is done for religious purposes is not? I cannot believe our culture.

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by KosherXMorg

Actually only two were pregnant and one of those gave birth 2 days ago. Now authorities say that 31 of the girls have been or are currently pregnant (again 2 now 1) but just 2 days before announcing that they declared 25 young ladies who have stated they are adults as minors. I just wonder... How many of those 25 are in that group of 31? I'll bet you money that all of them are.

The new story by authorities is that 41 of the children have signs of past bone fractures. That's 41 out of 463, that's less then 10%!!! Studies show 50% of children have a fracture before reaching adulthood... the FLDS are FAR under average!!! And that's amazing considering the fact that FLDS children run and play outside and don't veg out in front of the TV all day.

Texas is counting on you not doing your research.

Deserves repeating! Thanks KosherXMorg.

[Fiannan]

Someone pointed out earlier that they thought the marriage age in Texas was 14 until just a few years ago. That is indeed true:

Texas officials have proven unreliable even on such basic questions as the justification for the raid, which was a report of physical abuse from a 16-year-old YFZ resident who apparently does not exist, and the number of children seized, a figure that was revised yet again this week. Just a few days ago, the number of underage mothers was said to be 20.
It's not clear how the government determined the ages of these girls. It says many who claimed to be adults were in fact minors, while FLDS members say many of the girls the state describes as minors are in fact adults.
Furthermore, the age of consent for sex in Texas is 17, while the minimum age for marriage, with parental approval, is 16 (raised in 2005 from 14 with the FLDS in mind). Hence a pregnant 16- or 17-year-old is not necessarily evidence that any laws have been broken.
Even by the government's account, 463 children were forcibly removed from their homes because 7 percent of them may have been victims of sexual abuse. Although there's no evidence that boys or prepubescent girls were abused at YFZ, the minors in state custody include 213 boys and about 130 children under the age of 5.

Reason Magazine - Latter-Day Taint

What I am finding interesting is that Constitutional conservatives and libertarians are really attacking the persecution of the FLDS. I'm not sure the Texas Gestapo expected this.

[Teancum18]

This post is really going to anger some members of the Church. So let my disclaimer be this: if this post upsets you, please, please, at least give some time to collect your thoughts before you reply.

On the topic of polygamy. I wouldn't be surprised if Joseph Smith made a mistake. WAIT!!! Hear me out before you jump to conclusions. According to records by both Joseph Smith and Lucy Mack Smith, Joseph had put off polygamy for quite some time until an angel appeared to him and said, "Either implement polygamy now, or I will strike you down where you stand." (basically in those words) That was when Joseph finally started doing it. Once it was implemented, here's what happened.

Joseph and Emma were heard arguing one day outside of their house. Emma was basically saying something to the effect of, "We take these woman in to our house and you're bedding with them? Get out, now!!" (This is according to scattered records of members of the church from that time)

Joseph said one way you could always know if an angel has appeared to you, or if an evil spirit is trying to trick you, is to offer your hand. And evil spirit will try to shake, but will not be able to because it does not have a body. An angel will refuse to shake because it is of a higher being, Anyway, I wonder if Joseph forgot to do his little test on that angel who threatened to strike him down. Maybe an evil spirit got in there and tricked the prophet into thinking polygamy truly did come from Heavenly Father.

This next part might really support that. In one of the original copies of the early Doctrine and Covenants (back when it wasn't known as the D&C yet), there were words taken out of one of the sections by the church. The words were of Christ saying, "I reproach my church for practicing polygamy and adultery." Obviously, that had to be taken out because of D&C 132.

So the big point I am coming to is this: Joseph may have made a mistake, which if he did, great!! It would mean a couple of things if he did make a mistake:

1) Despite being a prophet of God, he was still human.
2) There is a very good chance polygamy would never come back.
3) Obviously the church is true, because if it wasn't, why would Satan waste his time tricking the prophet into something like this?
4) It clears up more issues than it creates.

I am not saying Joseph DID make a mistake. I don't know. However, it would strengthen my testimony if he did. Not only for the reasons I mentioned, but for others that I'd prefer to discuss in private.

People who are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints should approach the topic of polygamy very delicately. If Joseph did not make a mistake, than Heavenly Father has His reasons (Isaiah 55:8-9). If he did make a mistake, it actually strengthens the image of our church a lot more than it could hurt it.

[WillowTheWhisp]

I'm surprised that ONLY 10% of the FLDS children have signs of past bone fractures. 100% of my children have signs of past bone fractures. They played outside. They climbed trees, they ran, they jumped, they fell, the broke, sprained, twisted wrists, ankles, shoulders, knees. It's called growing up and enjoying childhood without being cooped up and wrapped in cotton wool.

I'm a little perturbed (if that's the right word) that the state of Texas seems to be scraping the barrel to find something to blame these people for. Only 2 underage preganancies? Good grief I don't know 400 children and yet I know 3 who were pregnant before the age of 16! (2 of them are cousins too - does that mean the family needs to be arrested and all their other children taken from them?

The state claims that some young mothers are younger than they say they are. The mothers themselves say they are older than the state claims.

This whole thing just gets messier and messier.





As for the 'did Joseph Smith get it wrong?' angle - well maybe I could be persuaded to think along those lines if it weren't for the fact of Biblical stories where having more than one wife is accepted.

[Teancum18]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

As for the 'did Joseph Smith get it wrong?' angle - well maybe I could be persuaded to think along those lines if it weren't for the fact of Biblical stories where having more than one wife is accepted.

True that. That post of mine really was more of a "brainstorming" post than anything else. You're not going to see me defend it too much. Just throwing it out there.

You rock, Willow!!

[User-Removed]

Originally Posted by rosie321

570 KNRS | Family Values Talk Radio
Bob weighs in on the Miley Controversy



I must ask, when will the parents of the young stars and their agents face the same fate as the polygamist parents? They clearly exploit their children for monetary gain and legally prostitute them out to the camera for a few dollars. Miley is only 15. Sick is sick.

I truly can't understand the double standard people hold. Why is there not more outrage? Why hasn't any one tried to save her?

Stuff that happens for entertainment is acceptable and that which is done for religious purposes is not? I cannot believe our culture.

I whole heartedly agree...Wrap a youngster in a green sheet = Sin

bed them down at 15 and you're doing God's work.....

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by MyDogSkip

I whole heartedly agree...Wrap a youngster in a green sheet = Sin

bed them down at 15 and you're doing God's work.....

You didn't catch her point, did you? I believe her point was that our society sees nothing wrong with the continued trend to sexualize young people yet at the same time sees these young people as children who lack the maturity to take on the responsibility of marriage and family.

Know what that means Skip? That means we are in a sense projecting a fetish towards young girls in the name of money. That's right, create an image of nauty, immature sexuality coupled with innocent naivity -- a child's brain kept captive in a barely adult body. Look, buy the product society allows to be associated with this not-adult, no-longer-child, entity -- but remember, she is not old enough to accept any adult responsibility. So doesn't society then make her a prisoner -- an object?

Who then really has the higher regard for the teen female -- our society trapped in adolescent worship or the FLDS who, like many billions of people in the world today, live in a culture that accepts marriage in the teen years?

Again, I am not advocating young teen marriage but you certainly won't find anything in the scriptures to condemn it.

[User-Removed]

At this stage in this thread...there is no point.

I'm all amazed that there are actually people willing to condemn the State of Texas for rescuing these young girls.

Reports continue to filter, of more and more signs of physical abuse of many of these youngsters...yet way too many "socalled LDS" would rather whine about a publicity stunt designed to bring in tons of dinero for Disney...while engaging in some kind of faux defense of the Jeffs Cult.

From where I stand...the only people who pop off about underage marriags in the Bible, juxtaposing it to this issue here...are usually males who don't have daughters...

[WillowTheWhisp]

I'm female.

I have daughters.

I am not a supporter of young teen pregancy or young teen marriage.

But neither am I a supporter of the hamfisted way the state of Texas has gone about 'rescuing' people who may or may not have needed rescuing any more than I need rescuing from being LDS despite what some of my friends once thought.

How many children really factually have been proved to have been abused?

Just because their lifestyle is different that doesn't make it abusive. They might consider the cavalier way some people outside of their religion treat children to be far more abusive. The Amish live a different lifestyle.Their children have no contact with modern technology. Do we 'rescue' them next?