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[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by Moksha

Would any of us want our children to spend time in that compund?

Could you please show me what compund the press keeps talking aobut? Isn't the so-called compound actually their temple? Ph well, I'll bet there's plenty of fundamentalists who think every Mormon temple is a compound too.

[Silver Girl]

Finnan...

You are aware that in most states (including Texas) a 50 year old man having sex with a 13 year old girl IS against the law whether they are "married" or not...??

This is not a case about freedom of religion... It is about protection little girls from being raped at the hands of "spiritual husbands" and about protecting little boys from becoming "spiritual husbands" in the future....

I am not in complete agreement with the way everything in Texas has been done... But, I have to say, at least they have taken a stand... And if they hadn't, how many people would be crying for their heads???

Silver Girl

[Fiannan]

You are aware that in most states (including Texas) a 50 year old man having sex with a 13 year old girl IS against the law whether they are "married" or not...??

Age of being able to marry in Texas is 16 with parental consent. From the official page I read it said nothing about the age of the other party. So if it is an actual marriage (approved by law) then a 50 year old could indeed marry and consumate a marriage with a 16 year old.

This is not a case about freedom of religion... It is about protection little girls from being raped at the hands of "spiritual husbands" and about protecting little boys from becoming "spiritual husbands" in the future....

The Chinese use the excuse to not allow missionaries into the mainland that it's not about prohibiting freedom of religion, it's about maintaining social harmony.

I am not in complete agreement with the way everything in Texas has been done... But, I have to say, at least they have taken a stand... And if they hadn't, how many people would be crying for their heads???

Actually, I think the term is using a sledgehammer to remove a fly from your head. What they have done smacks of fascism, not proper law enforcement.

[Gwen]

as i understand it the "compound" is the entire facility in which they live, it is comprised of their homes, their temple, their chruch, etc. they don't leave the compound, that is part of the problem; isolation for the purposes of control, manipulation, and abuse.

our temples are not comparable, we don't live right next to them with no way to leave. we come and go as permitted by operation hours and reccomends. there is no comparison. if there was ligitmate reason to think something bad was going on inside one of our temples i would expect the law to go in and investigate. and guess what you wouldn't find 14 yr olds being "married" to or having sex with 50 yr olds.

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by Gwen

as i understand it the "compound" is the entire facility in which they live, it is comprised of their homes, their temple, their chruch, etc. they don't leave the compound, that is part of the problem; isolation for the purposes of control, manipulation, and abuse.

our temples are not comparable, we don't live right next to them with no way to leave. we come and go as permitted by operation hours and reccomends. there is no comparison. if there was ligitmate reason to think something bad was going on inside one of our temples i would expect the law to go in and investigate. and guess what you wouldn't find 14 yr olds being "married" to or having sex with 50 yr olds.

We have a bunch of temples in Mexico. Now consider this:

Consent: People under the age of 18 may not get married in Mexico without parental consent. With parental consent, boys have to be at least 16 and girls need to be at least 14 years of age.

Mexico Law Marriage in Mexico

So perhaps your last statement may not be totally accurate.

[Silver Girl]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

We have a bunch of temples in Mexico. Now consider this:



Mexico Law Marriage in Mexico

So perhaps your last statement may not be totally accurate.

One small difference:

To my knowledge, our Temples in Mexico (or anywhere else for that matter) are not typically used as a place where a 50 year old pedophile can hideout while he is sexually abusing a 14 year old girl...

To my knowledge, we don't use our Temples for sexual relations at all...

Silver Girl

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by Silver Girl

One small difference:

To my knowledge, our Temples in Mexico (or anywhere else for that matter) are not typically used as a place where a 50 year old pedophile can hideout while he is sexually abusing a 14 year old girl...

To my knowledge, we don't use our Temples for sexual relations at all...

Silver Girl

As has been pointed out by another poster in these forums there has been no evidence presented that the bed mentioned in the press was there to consumate marriages by anyone.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Is it a confirmed fact that children as young as 13 and 14 are marrying and having babies?

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Is it a confirmed fact that children as young as 13 and 14 are marrying and having babies?

Not sure -- the mothers say no but let's pretend they are -- the best solution then is to take these guys into custody, place them on probation and threaten them with a huge jail sentence unless the group agrees not to marry anyone under the age of consent (marriage ages can be lower than age of consent but then again if a polygamist marriage is not really recognized then any relations are technically illegal -- so make them wait until the people reach age of consent).

My preference? Recognize polygamist marriage -- at least to the point many states and large cities recognize gay civil unions. If you recognize it you can then regulate it. Make it manditory that a woman must be 18 before entering into a polygamist marriage. I mean what the heck, at 18 she may not be legally able to drink but she can sign up for the military, become a stripper or a porn star, or vote for president.

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

Could you please show me what compound the press keeps talking about? Isn't the so-called compound actually their temple? Oh well, I'll bet there's plenty of fundamentalists who think every Mormon temple is a compound too.

This particular compound is the 1700 acre Yearning for Zion Ranch, where young girls routinely are married in polygamous unions to old men, and the boys are driven off homeless after a certain age to reduce the competition for these nubile brides.

The Temple (complete with connubial beds) is only a portion of this compound.

My guess is that these fundamentalists know the difference between Temples and compounds. You tote your rifles and handguns around the compound but not the Temple.